ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s

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Sferrin, I hardly doubt Adobe Systems even existed then=) This is colour transparent film as I think.
 

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flateric said:
Sferrin, I hardly doubt Adobe Systems even existed then=) This is colour transparent film as I think.
Dude, I'm talkin' about the F-35 shot on the right. ;) Actually I guess it would help if I posted the picture I was referring to eh? :p
 

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Well, Syd Mead's creature even did it way into Lockheed AIAA papers in 1989!

AIAA 1989-1407
ELEVATED TEMPERATURE ALUMINUM ALLOYS FOR ADVANCED FIGHTER AIRCRAFT
J. C. Ekvall, R. A. Rainenn, and D. J. Chellman
Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Company, Burbank, California
R. R. Flora
Air Force Wright Aeronautical Laboratory
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio
M. J. Gerbach
Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Company,
Marietta, Georgia
 

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That wasn't the Syd Meade design but a different one. Check the canard position on that one with the S.M. one.
 

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well, a*slightly* modified S.M. one)
 

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Isn't that design, shown in the paper, the one illustrated in the first two pics on page one of your post in this thread, as is shown on the Wings cover?
 

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No, that one with high-mounted canards, 'classic' Syd Mead's ATF
 

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An artist's impression identified as a Lockheed ATF contender released in 1985 shows a chined nose similar to the SR-71, a fairly orthodox delta wing with canard foreplanes, and vectoring engine nozzles.

Source: Richardson, Doug. Stealth Warplanes Salamander Books Ltd. 2001.
 

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http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1165.msg10545.html#msg10545
flateric said:
Stuff is claimed to be - of course - F-22. Interesting if this a pure speculation or another Lockheed's(?) desinformation CGIs
Confirmed as 'official' Lockheed speculation
 

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Artist's impression of Advanced Tactical Fighter by Attila Hejja appearing in December 1987 issue of Popular Mechanics.

Source: Cole, Tim. "Airpower 2000" Popular Mechanics December 1987 p. 72.
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Tactical_Fighter

there are also diagram of concept aircraft submitted by aircraft corporations!
 

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Merv_P said:
I found this on the DVIC site, on the first page of a search on 'ATF'. I haven't seen this design before; does anyone have more information?
This from a circa 1982 or 1983 publication of Popular Science. It was a USAF "design" intended to portray the concepts of the new fighter, namely 2D thrust vectoring, LO inlets, supercruise aerodynamics (then though needed to be tailless), and internal weapons.

If you actually look at, it is basically the F-22 minus the tail, right down to the one piece canopy. Lockmart gave the USAF exactly what they wanted.
 

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Also from; Advanced fighter technology
Bill Sweetman's drawing
 

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LowObservable said:
Jebus on a Vespa, that looks oddly familiar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xezgTM097Fk
 

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This is not ATF. ASTOVL
 

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Thank you Flateric, I had it mis-labled in my ATF file.
 
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