ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s

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Interesting stills of scientist looking at what everybody (mostly, Soviet spies) should consider Lockheed ATF from Lockheed promo documentary, showing how far they went into not-showing how their real ATF would look like.

Third picture (ATF manufacturing) remembers me Khruchev's phrase of making rockets on conveyor like a sausages
 

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Sasha, of course I know these artist's impressions (adding more Lockheed art studio masterpieces now):) I just wanted to show how far could cover-up attempts go in trying to steal the real thing shape. I often think of this regarding I-21/PAK-FA.
 

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Keep in mind... this particular "ATF" was deisgned and painted by Syd mead, the industrial designer who gave the world the "spinner."



So, yes, it's artistic, but it didn't have much to do with reality.

Which was the point.
 

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Orionblamblam said:
Keep in mind... this particular "ATF" was deisgned and painted by Syd mead, the industrial designer who gave the world the "spinner."
Blade Runner...oh, my favourite sci-fi movie...so, Syd Mead was hired by Lockheed to foolish our spies?

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So, yes, it's artistic, but it didn't have much to do with reality.

Which was the point.
Sometimes it's strikingly remembers me our Frankenstain-inspired MiG 1.44...which also didn't have much to do with reality.
 

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Where are damn canards?
 

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flateric said:
Syd Mead was hired by Lockheed to foolish our spies?
Seems that way. They made no secret that he was doign the art at the time, though... perhaps he simply took some generic fighter layout and made it realistic.


Sometimes it's strikingly remembers me our Frankenstain-inspired MiG 1.44...which also didn't have much to do with reality.
The best "phony designs" are the ones that make the other side spend lots of time, money and effort trying to copy it.
 

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Ummmh, has anyone tried to use that ATF design to do some simulation model for X-Plane ? ;)
 

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http://www.sydmead.com/v/01/bookstore/viewer/series2.html
 

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My dears,

a surprise to all member,
I have a really picture to dear (paralay) artistic
picture of Lockheed ATF project of 1986,it was shoted at its
lair,and the source mentioned it was actually built.

the artistic picture from paralay which I mean it:
 

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Dear Hesham, I don't know if you have read previous posts, but it was clearly explained that this is was graphics concept of ATF having nothing common to reality, made by Syd Mead for Lockheed. Thread purpose was to show that Lockheed even make a wind tunnel model to make everybody think that their ATF would look like this.
 

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I believe Lockheed's disinformation effort was primarily aimed not at the Soviets but at other US aircraft companies.
 

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I don't think any of this had to do with dis-information and simply to do with the fact that the ATF designs were classified at the time. Anyone with a back ground in aeronautics could immediately recognize that the canard placement just about embedded on the spine of the Syd Mead conception wasn't feasible and was just an artist's concept of an "Advanced" fighter.
 

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I must agree, while I should mention that Northrop concept drawing published was not far away from the real stuff.
 

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My dears,

you still don't believe me,I rebeat I have a really
picture to this aircraft,but the book was not
popular.and I think it was not a full scale mock-up.
 

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What the title of the book and what do you think it was?
 

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The book,

Warplanes of the 21st century, by Bill Yenne.
 

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I've seen the Bill Yenne book, it has a number of photographs of Erik Simonsen models. Perhaps one of those is your picture?
 

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Yes my dear overscan,

and the picture was shown a little different from artist picture,such as
the really aircraft had a longer canard than the drawing,but the book
has also a picture to a fighter derivative from Rockwell HIMAT,and I
don't know it was a really aircraft built or a macket trick,because it was
shooted in the sky.
 
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