High amperage cable. That would explain test article have them on the outside (any shaffing will be grounded already)Am I the only one who thinks those blue components look like data cables?Sorry, im going to change my view.
the emitter is the central item, one facing fore, one aft, both at 45deg.
the emitter masks some of the other item, so they aren’t emitting.
now it would make sense You can see, one face is flat, one has a panel shape. I Think’ the flat is the emitter.
the 12 square things are cooling the one emitter.
so what ever it is, it gets hot.
Unless of course you are SOF and you would rather not assist in letting everyone know what you are doing.High amperage cable would be orange. The blue tubing is for refrigerants.
yeah, that's definitely what it is...brilliant minds.Unless of course you are SOF and you would rather not assist in letting everyone know what you are doing.High amperage cable would be orange. The blue tubing is for refrigerants.
“In my view,” Biden told CNN, “there was one option there that was remaining: you could have done one more very low flight … spying down on the site” – a compound in Abbottabad – “to determine whether this was Bin Laden, because again, there was no certainty.
What is so mysterious? There's a plethora or small drones some that look like birds......no its not a ufo or a stealthy manned reconSome mysterious low fly by mentioned by Bidden in his recent interview regarding the raid:
“In my view,” Biden told CNN, “there was one option there that was remaining: you could have done one more very low flight … spying down on the site” – a compound in Abbottabad – “to determine whether this was Bin Laden, because again, there was no certainty.'To give him space': Biden reveals why he told Obama to wait on Bin Laden raid | Joe Biden | The Guardian
President-elect in new CNN film tells of agonized discussions but says he subsequently advised Obama to follow his instinctamp.theguardian.com
The only mystery is what Biden actually said since he and Obama can't keep their story straight.What is so mysterious? There's a plethora or small drones some that look like birds......no its not a ufo or a stealthy manned reconSome mysterious low fly by mentioned by Bidden in his recent interview regarding the raid:
“In my view,” Biden told CNN, “there was one option there that was remaining: you could have done one more very low flight … spying down on the site” – a compound in Abbottabad – “to determine whether this was Bin Laden, because again, there was no certainty.'To give him space': Biden reveals why he told Obama to wait on Bin Laden raid | Joe Biden | The Guardian
President-elect in new CNN film tells of agonized discussions but says he subsequently advised Obama to follow his instinctamp.theguardian.com
marauder2048 said:LowObservable said:Yes, according to most responsible and authoritative reporting going back to 1987.
Despite the absence of available noise reduction options/retrofits
for the S-70/UH-60 family + derivatives (S-76 and S-92)?
With ever tightening noise regulations, you should have seen something by now.
I'm not super familiar with helicopter noise regs, but it looks like the new, more stringent Stage 3 rules only apply to new helicopter types, so there may not be a pressing market for hushkits on existing aircraft.
Also, the lack of commercial S-70s might be a factor -- there really don't seem to be any true civilian users at all, just military and a few paramilitary or police users.
Also from attending following year Heli Expo 2017 in Dallas, so I saw BHi/B3 H-60X and this time it was configured for customer weapons trials. So here are my photos.marauder2048 said:LowObservable said:Yes, according to most responsible and authoritative reporting going back to 1987.
Despite the absence of available noise reduction options/retrofits
for the S-70/UH-60 family + derivatives (S-76 and S-92)?
With ever tightening noise regulations, you should have seen something by now.
I'm not super familiar with helicopter noise regs, but it looks like the new, more stringent Stage 3 rules only apply to new helicopter types, so there may not be a pressing market for hushkits on existing aircraft.
Also, the lack of commercial S-70s might be a factor -- there really don't seem to be any true civilian users at all, just military and a few paramilitary or police users.
Timberline Helicopters Inc using them for supporting forestry etc (my pics from Heli Expo 2016). Also for electricity company in California PAG or PAC is using them...There will be more commercial S-70A in the coming years as many of the UH-60A are taken out of the active fleet. As mentioned a number of them are being bought for military use (no surprise there), but they are also being used by para-military and I believe there are a few being used for logging ops (not sure). Still pretty big helicopter for many of the commercial applications and it has to compete with purpose designed helicopters with lower operating cost.
It’s not that hard to evade the F16’s radar in a helo when flying in low, mountainous terrain. Not only can you use the terrain to shield yourself from view, but the helicopter blades shield the helicopter from (Doppler) radar because they act as a phase locked loop; the signal/frequency that goes in goes out (very simply speaking).And we are still no wiser there’s a myriad of clues
- Flight Concept Division at Felker AAF, Fort Eustis
- Modified EH-60A pic from 3 decades ago
- A technical paper from near 4 decades ago on lowering radar signature and acoustics for H-60 of which drawings resemble the movie prop
Also here’s a story about one Nightstalker MH-47G crew that took part in the raid and how the CWO pilot, a graduate of the Marine Corps Marine Aviation Weapons Tactics Squadron MAWTS-1 Weapons Tactics Instructors (WTI) course said it helped him and his crew survive unwanted attention from the Pakistani F-16C.
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Bin Laden Raid Pilot Says Unique Marine Air-To-Air Course Likely Saved Him From Pakistani F-16s
Ten years after the historic mission, we learn how a Marine course in air-to-air helicopter combat may have saved a Chinook from being shot down.www.thedrive.com
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The Chinook was removing the target‘s remains after the raidIt’s not that hard to evade the F16’s radar in a helo when flying in low, mountainous terrain. Not only can you use the terrain to shield yourself from view, but the helicopter blades shield the helicopter from (Doppler) radar because they act as a phase locked loop; the signal/frequency that goes in goes out (very simply speaking).And we are still no wiser there’s a myriad of clues
- Flight Concept Division at Felker AAF, Fort Eustis
- Modified EH-60A pic from 3 decades ago
- A technical paper from near 4 decades ago on lowering radar signature and acoustics for H-60 of which drawings resemble the movie prop
Also here’s a story about one Nightstalker MH-47G crew that took part in the raid and how the CWO pilot, a graduate of the Marine Corps Marine Aviation Weapons Tactics Squadron MAWTS-1 Weapons Tactics Instructors (WTI) course said it helped him and his crew survive unwanted attention from the Pakistani F-16C.
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Bin Laden Raid Pilot Says Unique Marine Air-To-Air Course Likely Saved Him From Pakistani F-16s
Ten years after the historic mission, we learn how a Marine course in air-to-air helicopter combat may have saved a Chinook from being shot down.www.thedrive.com
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So it seems the story is spiced up a bit, but the timeline doesn’t add up either; the first Pakistani planes weren’t in the air until well after the raid, by then the helicopters participating in the raid were already over the border, or at least very close.
FARP was inside Pakistan, 30 miles from target. Chinook arrived at the target from the FARP about 10 minutes after being called.As the Admiral mentioned in the interview (the) onsite operators asked to stay around to collect all of the intel, which it seems they had not anticipated as being on site (somewhat surprising). He then mentioned that they had overstayed their time and crowds were beginning to gather, necessitating a Pakistani speaking ,member of the team to inform the crowd it was a training effort.
The Chinook was called in because the remaining Blackhawk could not lift the entire ground team, remains, and all of the intel from the site. Recall that it is said that the Chinook was used to set up the FARP for the returning Blackhawks inside Afghanistan. In this case likely carried the FARP Security Team and some of the equipment. Assuming it was called forward immediately after the first Blackhawk crashed, and assuming it was still running at the FARP at flight idle, it would likely have taken ~20 to ~30 minutes for it to get to the target area.
Of course there is possibly a healthy dose of misinformation associated with the story as well. It will likely be some time before a truly clear picture of the event is provided.
Interesting. Then the delay associated with the time on ground was likely due to the amount of intelligence that was being recovered from the building. Out of curiosity, where is the information published regarding the tactical actions associated with the entire mission?FARP was inside Pakistan, 30 miles from target. Chinook arrived at the target from the FARP about 10 minutes after being called.As the Admiral mentioned in the interview (the) onsite operators asked to stay around to collect all of the intel, which it seems they had not anticipated as being on site (somewhat surprising). He then mentioned that they had overstayed their time and crowds were beginning to gather, necessitating a Pakistani speaking ,member of the team to inform the crowd it was a training effort.
The Chinook was called in because the remaining Blackhawk could not lift the entire ground team, remains, and all of the intel from the site. Recall that it is said that the Chinook was used to set up the FARP for the returning Blackhawks inside Afghanistan. In this case likely carried the FARP Security Team and some of the equipment. Assuming it was called forward immediately after the first Blackhawk crashed, and assuming it was still running at the FARP at flight idle, it would likely have taken ~20 to ~30 minutes for it to get to the target area.
Of course there is possibly a healthy dose of misinformation associated with the story as well. It will likely be some time before a truly clear picture of the event is provided.
Was posted previously in the thread:Interesting. Then the delay associated with the time on ground was likely due to the amount of intelligence that was being recovered from the building. Out of curiosity, where is the information published regarding the tactical actions associated with the entire mission?FARP was inside Pakistan, 30 miles from target. Chinook arrived at the target from the FARP about 10 minutes after being called.As the Admiral mentioned in the interview (the) onsite operators asked to stay around to collect all of the intel, which it seems they had not anticipated as being on site (somewhat surprising). He then mentioned that they had overstayed their time and crowds were beginning to gather, necessitating a Pakistani speaking ,member of the team to inform the crowd it was a training effort.
The Chinook was called in because the remaining Blackhawk could not lift the entire ground team, remains, and all of the intel from the site. Recall that it is said that the Chinook was used to set up the FARP for the returning Blackhawks inside Afghanistan. In this case likely carried the FARP Security Team and some of the equipment. Assuming it was called forward immediately after the first Blackhawk crashed, and assuming it was still running at the FARP at flight idle, it would likely have taken ~20 to ~30 minutes for it to get to the target area.
Of course there is possibly a healthy dose of misinformation associated with the story as well. It will likely be some time before a truly clear picture of the event is provided.
Great story but I would suspect there was more than flying on that mission than 4 helicopters, i.e. something else was protecting the choppers from the pak's f16s radar.Was posted previously in the thread:Interesting. Then the delay associated with the time on ground was likely due to the amount of intelligence that was being recovered from the building. Out of curiosity, where is the information published regarding the tactical actions associated with the entire mission?FARP was inside Pakistan, 30 miles from target. Chinook arrived at the target from the FARP about 10 minutes after being called.As the Admiral mentioned in the interview (the) onsite operators asked to stay around to collect all of the intel, which it seems they had not anticipated as being on site (somewhat surprising). He then mentioned that they had overstayed their time and crowds were beginning to gather, necessitating a Pakistani speaking ,member of the team to inform the crowd it was a training effort.
The Chinook was called in because the remaining Blackhawk could not lift the entire ground team, remains, and all of the intel from the site. Recall that it is said that the Chinook was used to set up the FARP for the returning Blackhawks inside Afghanistan. In this case likely carried the FARP Security Team and some of the equipment. Assuming it was called forward immediately after the first Blackhawk crashed, and assuming it was still running at the FARP at flight idle, it would likely have taken ~20 to ~30 minutes for it to get to the target area.
Of course there is possibly a healthy dose of misinformation associated with the story as well. It will likely be some time before a truly clear picture of the event is provided.
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Exclusive: Legendary special operations aviator reveals bin Laden mission details for the first time
Doug Englen talked about the bin Laden raid, and his life, for the first time in an exclusive interview with Military Times.www.militarytimes.com
It's first Taliban-designed and produced helicopter, made according to Sharia's laws of aerodynamic.It seems to be a fresh photo from Afghanistan. The source is unknown to me.
There are apparently a couple of State Department-operated H-60s that have a pointier nose; saw pics of them parked in Kabul from a prior date. That would explain the nose appearing to have more of a chine to it. Doesn't exactly explain WHY there are odd-mods around.Standard UH-60M. Why on earth would they keep the Super-Duperhawk in country at this late date given that most, if not all, of the customers are gone? Anyone left there is not going to be buzzing around in a super special helicopter, they are likely trying to look very local on a scooter.
There are apparently a couple of State Department-operated H-60s that have a pointier nose; saw pics of them parked in Kabul from a prior date. That would explain the nose appearing to have more of a chine to it. Doesn't exactly explain WHY there are odd-mods around.Standard UH-60M. Why on earth would they keep the Super-Duperhawk in country at this late date given that most, if not all, of the customers are gone? Anyone left there is not going to be buzzing around in a super special helicopter, they are likely trying to look very local on a scooter.
Beat me to itThere are apparently a couple of State Department-operated H-60s that have a pointier nose; saw pics of them parked in Kabul from a prior date. That would explain the nose appearing to have more of a chine to it. Doesn't exactly explain WHY there are odd-mods around.Standard UH-60M. Why on earth would they keep the Super-Duperhawk in country at this late date given that most, if not all, of the customers are gone? Anyone left there is not going to be buzzing around in a super special helicopter, they are likely trying to look very local on a scooter.
They're HH-60Ls according to their FAA registries. But they sure look like M models. The pointy nose is what they hang the FLIR from.
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State Department's New Black Hawks In Afghanistan Could Prove Especially Important After Withdrawal
The State Department's Air Wing could be critical to keeping Americans safe if the security situation in the country continues to deteriorate.www.thedrive.com
Bureaucratic maneuver to avoid possible certification issues?They're HH-60Ls according to their FAA registries. But they sure look like M models.
Looks, like there were a lot of Black Hawk' versions currently in service by various customers and services. But, with all due respect, why they are discussed in this thread? Perhaps, they deserve their own place in SPF?