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Hi all,

can anybody complete my list of the aircraft by A.N.F. Les Mureaux?

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Sorry, only in german for my collection... ;D ;D ;D
 

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Hi,

the Mureaux Mo.150 was racer aircraft,but I don't know more
about it ,or it was actaully built or not !.
 

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113: Two seat reconnaissance and night fighter aircraft. 49 were built from 1933 onwards. One was registered as F-ANJU.

114: Night fighter of which two were built in 1933.

115: Two seat reconnaissance and bomber aircraft. The first flight was on 6 March 1935. 119 were built for the French Air Force. One was registered as F-AOIS (c/n 1).

117: Two seat reconnaissance and bomber aircraft. The first flight was in January 1935 and 115 were built for the French Air Force. One was registered as F-ANNG.
 

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Jos has already listed the ANF Les Mureaux 114, 115. and 117. Hesham, any more details about the 150? Avia France http://www.aviafrance.com/constructeur.php?ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=11 has a list of built ANF Les Mureaux types so, for the record:

ANF 'Express Les Mureaux' - biplane transport (re-engined Vimy Commercial)
1 built 1921, Twin 370hp Lorraine 12Da

ANF Les Mureaux 'Express-Marin' - single-seat fighter flying boat, parasol monoplane
1 built 1924, 1 x 300hp HS 8Fb, [armament?]

ANF Les Mureaux 3 Parasol - 2-seat fighter, parasol monoplane
1 built - 1927 - 1 x 500hp HS 12Hb, 2 x synchronized mgs, 2 x flexible mgs

ANF Les Mureaux 4 Parasol - 2-seat fighter, parasol monoplane
1 built 1928 - 1 x 500hp Salmson 18 Cm, 2 x synchronized mgs, 2 x wing mgs, 2 x flexible mgs

ANF Les Mureaux 110 - 2-seat reconnaissance, parasol monoplane
2 built 1931 (10 ordered?) - 1 x 650 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Nb V-12

ANF Les Mureaux 111 - 2-seat reconnaissance, parasol monoplane
1 built 1931 - 1 x 650 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Nb V-12,* span 15.40 m
-- * Originally planned for HS-12Ybrs or Rolls-Royce Kestrel

ANF Les Mureaux 112 R2 - 2-seat reconnaissance, parasol monoplane
2 built (1 was 110 n°2 reengined) 1933 - 1 x 860 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ybrs

ANF Les Mureaux 112 GR - 2-seat recce-bomber, parasol monoplane*
1 built 1933 - 1 x 650 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ybrs V-12, span 15.40 m
- * But built for Bucharest-Paris Coupe Bibesco,

ANF Les Mureaux 113 R2 - 1933 - 2-seat reconnaissance, parasol monoplane
49 built 1933 - 1 x 650 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ybrs - 2 x synchronized 7.5mm MAC 34, 2 x flexible MAC 34

ANF Les Mureaux 113 CN - 1933 - 2-seat night fighter, parasol monoplane
(40 113 R2 conversions) - 1 x 650 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ybrs - 2 x synchronized 7.5mm MAC 34, 2 x flexible MAC 34

ANF Les Mureaux 114 CN2 - 2-seat night fighter, parasol monoplane
2 built 1933 - 1 x 860 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ybrs, span 15.40 m
- Armament: 2 x synchronized 7.5mm MAC 34, 2 x flexible MAC 34*
-- * Project (?) for a turreted 20 mm autocannon

ANF Les Mureaux 115 R2 - 1935 2-seat reconnaissance, parasol monoplane
119 built 1935 - 1 x 860 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs, span 15.40 m
- 1 x 20mm HS-9 moteurcanon, 2 x synchronized 7.5mm MAC 34, 2 x flexible MAC 34
- ANF Les Mureaux 115 R2B2 - Revised engine mounts, 115 R2 conversions

ANF Les Mureaux 116 - (Project) ANF Les Mureaux 113 derivative

ANF Les Mureaux 117 R2B2 - 1935 2-seat reconnaissance, parasol monoplane
115 built 1935 - 1 x 860 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ybrs, span 15.40 m
- 2 x synchronized 7.5mm MAC 34, 2 x flexible MAC 34, 200 kg bomb load

ANF Les Mureaux 118C2 - (Project) 2-seat fighter, may have led to 180(?)

ANF Les Mureaux 119 - 1935 world altitude record attempt parasol monoplane
- 119: Single-seat NF Les Mureaux 113 modified for record attempt
1 built 1935 - 1 x 860 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ybrs, span 15.40 m

ANF Les Mureaux 120 - 3-seat reconnaissance, high-winged monoplane
1 built 1931 - 2 x 300 hp Lorraine 9Na Algol, span 17.00 m

ANF Les Mureaux 121 - 3-seat reconnaissance, high-winged monoplane
1 built 1932 - 2 x 300 hp Gnome & Rhône 7Kb, span 17.00 m

ANF Les Mureaux 130 A2 - 2-seat observation, parasol monoplane
? built 1930 - 1 x 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12HB, span 15.00 m
- Tested by STAé in 1930 with 520 hp Salmson 18 CMb as F-AKCI

ANF Les Mureaux 131 A2 - 2-seat observation, parasol monoplane
? built 1930 - 1 x 500 hp Renault 12Jc, span 15.00 m

ANF Les Mureaux 140-T - transport, high-winged monoplane
1 built 1932 - 3 x 120 hp Salmson 9Ac, span 20.60

ANF Les Mureaux 150 - (Project) seaplane racer

ANF Les Mureaux 160-T - 2-seat tourer, high-winged monoplane
1 built 1932 - 1 x 95 hp Renault 4Pb, span 13.60 m
-- https://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Shumaker/12275L.jpg

ANF Les Mureaux 170 - single-seat fighter, parasol monoplane
1 built 1932 - 1 x 690 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Xbrs, span 11.38 m

ANF Les Mureaux 180 - single-seat fighter, parasol monoplane
1 built 1935 - 1 x 690 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs, span 11.38 m

ANF Les Mureaux 190 - single-seat fighter, low-wing monoplane
1 built 1936 - 1 x 450 hp Salmson 12Vars V-12. span 8.38 m
- ANF Les Mureaux 191: (Project) Retracable u/c, 750 hp Salmson 12
-- (Project) Planned lightened version of ANF Les Mureaux 190
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18622.msg222234.html#msg222234

ANF Les Mureaux 200 - 3-seat reconnaissance, parasol monoplane
1 built 1936 - 1 x 860 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs, span 15.40 m

ANF Les Mureaux 210 - (Project) 1935 ducted propeller monoplane
- 210: 2 x Stipa ducts powered by twin 750 hp Gnome-Rhone 9Kfr

Out of Sequence Designations

ANF Les Mureaux 50 - (Project) 2-seat float seaplane
- 50: 1936 military floatplane, 2 x 450 hp Salmson 12 Vars
- See Reply #14

ANF Les Mureaux-Stipa Bn.4 - (Project) 4 place nightbomber based on Stipa 203
none built 1936 - 2 x ?? ducted-fan engines
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3423.msg31444.html#msg31444
-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3423.msg171259.html#msg171259

1937 ANF Les Mureaux became part of the Société Nationale de Constructions Aéronautiques du Nord (SNCAN).

Obvious questions are: what happened to the missing 110 series -- 116 and 118?

The Les Mureaux 190 was developed further resulting into the Potez 230 (a type number that seems to be in the Les Mureaux sequence, not Potez). Maybe there are others in the Les Mureaux sequence?

The Potez 671 has an obvious Les Mureaux influence in the wing. And there was a triplace de travail with the same wing [Potez 220].
 

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Hi,

the Mo.118C2 was two seat fighter project,may be later developed
into Mo.180c2.
 

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Thanks Hesham. I've added the 118C2 to our list (along with the 150 which I'd forgotten :-[)
 

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Thank you my dear Apophenia,

the Mo.116 was experimental project derivative from Mo.113,
as mention in Avions magazine.
 

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Les Mureaux-Stipa : 4 place nightbomber project (Bn.4) of 1936
based on the Stipa 203.
source AFM n°3 April/May 2005
 

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Hi,

the Mo.191 was developed from Mo.190 with retractable undercarriage,
I think project only.
 

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Hi,


ANF-150 was a racer seaplane,no more details.
 

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Apophenia said:
The Les Mureaux 190 was developed further resulting into the Potez 230 (a type number that seems to be in the Les Mureaux sequence, not Potez). Maybe there are others in the Les Mureaux sequence?

The Potez 671 has an obvious Les Mureaux influence in the wing. And there was a triplace de travail with the same wing [Potez 220].
The Potez 220 is confirmed as an ex-Mureaux design in Les avions Potez by Coroller & Ledet. It is in the same Mureaux sequence (with a gap at 210). The Potez 221 was the planned series version, with the observer's balcony removed from the underside.
The Potez 230 was in the same sequence, certainly the last one.
 

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From my dear Tophe,


ANF-210 used the Stipa internal propeller licence,monoplane project 1935 with 2 STIPA
devices,including Gnome-Rhone 9K fr of 750 hp engines.
 

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Hi,


the ANF-Mureaux Type-50 was a private venture of September 1936,it was a two-seat small floatplane
Project intended to be used as attack and maybe torpedo bomber,powered by two Salmson 12 Vars
of 450 hp,cancelled when the company was nationalized.
 
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hesham said:
the ANF-Mureaux Type-50 was a private venture of September 1936,it was a two-seat small floatplane
project intended to be used as attack and maybe torpedo bomber,powered by two Salmson 12 Vars
of 450 hp,cancelled when the company was nationalized.


Hi,


many of us surprised from that designation (Mureaux-50),specially it came in 1936,but to make
explanation,I must unveil about that mystery,the Besson company was taken over by the Mureaux
in early 1930s,so Marcel Besson continued to developed aircraft under his designation series,and
in early 1930s,it had the MB.410 or in brief MB.41,and after that he continued with Type 42 and
reach to Type 50 in the new company,which of course called ANF-Mureaux Type-50.
 

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Hi,

as I remembered,there was two types,Express-Marin and Avion-Marin,the later maybe developed from the
first one ?.
 

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We can add those designations.
 

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Okay, why? This article describes various Stipa concepts being proposed or tested in the wind tunnel at Saint Cyr.

I'm aware that the Stipa Type 203 Bn4 was assigned to ANF-Les Mureaux for réalisation (by the Ateliers Nord France). But do we have any evidence that these other Stipa concepts went beyond the IAT/STAé wind tunnel at Saint Cyr?
 

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From Aviation magazine 1963,

the first time to hear about Potez-231 ?.
 

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