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VEB Apparatebau Lommatzsch Lo-56, training aircraft.
 

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VEB Flugzeugbau Dresden P-101 (a modified Arado Ar.79?)
 

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VEB Flugzeugbau Dresden SP-022A (SP=Studienprojekt)
 

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Hi,

in early replies in this topic,my dear Maveric sent a drawings to GDR
Models 153,154 & 155,but here is in a Germany site,anther drawings
to them with little differs,in cockpit or engines,what is the right or
that early designs ?;


http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ar&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flugzeug-lorenz.de%2Findex.php%3Fid%3D104
 

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Hi,


here is GDR 152/I V-1 and 152/II V-4;


http://www.flying-things.ch/air46/baade.jpg
 

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The designation "GDR 152" definitely is wrong, even "Baade 152" was just an unofficial one, used to honour
the chief designer. According to the book by Holger Lorenz (probably one of the best experts about this theme)
it was at first designated as "EW 15.2" or "EW 152" (EW for "Entwurf " = Design) and later "Flugzeug 152" or
simply "152"
 

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Jemiba said:
The designation "GDR 152" definitely is wrong, even "Baade 152" was just an unofficial one, used to honour
the chief designer. According to the book by Holger Lorenz (probably one of the best experts about this theme)
it was at first designated as "EW 15.2" or "EW 152" (EW for "Entwurf " = Design) and later "Flugzeug 152" or
simply "152"

And what about the designation "VEB 152"?
 

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"VEB" meant "Volkseigener Betrieb" (peoples own enterprise), so it's just a term for a form of an enterprise,
not a name or designation for a specific enterprise. As mentioned in Lorenz book, the production plant for
the 152/Flugzeug 152/"Baade 152" was part of the "VEB Maschinen- und Apparatebau Dresden" (machine
and device production plant) and there are drawings, the aircraft is designated "Dresden 152". Correct would
be "VEB Maschinen- und Apparatebau Dresden 152", but probably this would have been too cumbersome and
AFAIK, the aircraft production plant would have been indepent from the "mother company".
 

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From Aero, September 1958:
Two designs from the institute for aeronautical technology of the technical university Dresden,
lead by professor Landmann:

- A jet trainer for the GDR airforce with straight wing, using a NACA-651/412 airfoil, T-tail and
tandem seating. Predicted max. speed 750 km/h and an endurance of 1.5 to 2 hours.
This type is mentioned as Kaplick "Kerl" (chap), Kaplick probably the name of the chief designer.

- A single-seat glider tug, mentioned as Boenisch "Vogel" (bird) with fixed landing gear and V-tail,
powered by an inline engine and able to tow up to two gliders.

Both aren't from a dedicated aircraft company, so it's unclear, if they really count as "projects".
 

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As said above, both designs were drawn by university members, so I was unsure, if to place
them here, or in the "Theoretical and Speculative" section. But during that time, there were
no established aircraft manufacturers in the GDR, as we saw in the case of the "152" and no
dedicated design offices. The nearest equivalent may have been this institute and attempts to
start at least a limited production of aircraft may have started there.
 

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There is an article about the regional jet study "SP22" from East Germany (GDR) in the German magazine "Flugzeug Classic", August-September 2002 on the pages 62 & 63.
It looks very similar to the then later VFW 614 from West Germany (FRG).
A short summary and snapshots might follow soon. ;) :)
 

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Elbe Flugzeugwerke after the fall of the Wall, and in the present day:

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%203035.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%203036.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%203037.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Flugzeugwerke
 

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An Ilyushin Il-14 [DM-ZZB] was used experimentally in Mistel form to carry a test-model of the Type 152 configuration on its back:
 

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Does anyone have anything on proposed military and/or intelligence gathering versions of the Lommatzsch Lom-61 Favorit glider?
 

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Stargazer2006 said:
An Ilyushin Il-14 [DM-ZZB] was used experimentally in Mistel form to carry a test-model of the Type 152 configuration on its back:

It's just the '152' tail in original size, not a model of the whole aircraft. ;)
 

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boxkite is right, here's another photo of those tests
(from Holger Lorenz "Die Variante I des DDR-Jets "Baade-152")
 

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Grey Havoc said:
Does anyone have anything on proposed military and/or intelligence gathering versions of the Lommatzsch Lom-61 Favorit glider?

Only five Lom 61 Favorit were built in the GDR. Only planned variants I could find are the Lom 62 (with flaps) and the Lom 64 with a 16.5 square meter wing area for the Open Class.
 

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By the way,


the SP-043 Flora was also called Type-157.
 

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The Lom 62 "Favorit" was proposed as sailplane and "Motorsegler"
Lom 63 "Favorit" was a projected sailplane
Lom 64 "Favorit" was an evolution of the Lom 61 "Favorit"

(Source : Segelfliegen 3/2013)
 

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WOW, richard you made my day. Fantastic found... :-* :-* :-*
 

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Have found some more Information about the projects mentioned by my friend Jens... ;)
 

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...and the "Kaplick-Kerl"...
 

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Source: Flugzeugtypen - Typenbuch der internationalen Luftfahrt by Karlheinz Kens, Carl Lange Verlag, Duisburg. Probably the 4th issue from 1963.
Nice book with some projects from the 1950s and 1960s.
 

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Hi,


here is a some and more info about GDR aircraft :-


1- a profile view to the Types from 150 to 155.


2- model for Type 154.


3- Type 152.


4- the beginning list of GDR aircraft and projects,it started with V-1 up to 028,and
we know Lom-64 is the last of that series,but the Type series is anther one(need
translation).


5- landing gear.


6- plan of flight test of 1959.


7- a jet trainer projects,group was powered by Turbomeca Aspin,the Types SK-160,SK-167,
SK-170,SK-175 and SK-178,anther group was powered byTurbomeca Marbore,the Types
SK-161,SK-163,SK-164,SK-165,SK-166,SK-174 and SK-176,also the SK-177 fitted with no
engine,may be training glider,that's Google Translation.


8- the GDR types,from Type 150 up to 160,the type 151 is a mystery.
 

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And;


9- Type 152 V4.


10- some details of the designs Type 152 (014).


11- model to Type 153.


12- Type 155 & Type 160.


13- Jet Trainer,different a little from previous.


14- the data for jet trainer project.


15- SP.043 up to SP.050.


16- the complete drawings from SP.048 to SP.050.


FLIEGER REVUE
 

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hesham said:
Hi,


here is a some and more info about GDR aircraft :-


1- a profile view to the Types from 150 to 155.


2- model for Type 154.


3- Type 152.


4- the beginning list of GDR aircraft and projects,it started with V-1 up to 028,and
we know Lom-64 is the last of that series,but the Type series is anther one(need
translation).


5- landing gear.


6- plan of flight test of 1959.


7- a jet trainer projects,group was powered by Turbomeca Aspin,the Types SK-160,SK-167,
SK-170,SK-175 and SK-178,anther group was powered byTurbomeca Marbore,the Types
SK-161,SK-163,SK-164,SK-165,SK-166,SK-174 and SK-176,also the SK-177 fitted with no
engine,may be training glider,that's Google Translation.


8- the GDR types,from Type 150 up to 160,the type 151 is a mystery.

To point 4. This is not a list of GDR aircraft, this is a production list of the Type 154. V1 to V7 are the prototypes, 008 to 028 are planned serial aircraft of the same Type.
 

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hesham said:
And;


9- Type 152 V4.


10- some details of the designs Type 152 (014).


11- model to Type 153.



12- Type 155 & Type 160.


13- Jet Trainer,different a little from previous.


14- the data for jet trainer project.


15- SP.043 up to SP.050.


16- the complete drawings from SP.048 to SP.050.


FLIEGER REVUE

Picture No.13 is the E-Sk. 161 as I know... ;)
 

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Fantastic find, hesham, thanks! Also your posts are much better organized. Good resolutions for 2014? Keep it up! ;)
 

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Thank you my dears Maveric and Stargazer,


and for Maveric,do you know about the rest of series over the number 160 ?.
 

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Advertisement by Technocommerz, looking to export the Baade 152.
 

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Maveric said:
VEB Flugzeugbau Dresden SP-022A (SP=Studienprojekt)


My dear Maveric,


here is the drawings to GDR SP-022 and SP-022A with various accommodating
options.


Flugzeug Classic 7/2002
 

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Hi,


here is the GDR Type 152 early design and Type 152/II.


Flugzeug Classic 07-08/2003
 

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Hi,


here is a two drawings to GDR two seat jet trainer and SP-043,shows the dimensions
of each project.


Flugzeug Classic 4/2005
 

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Hi,


here is some Baade Type-152 aircraft versions.


http://www.flugzeug-lorenz.de/fileadmin/user_upload/PDF-152-VarianteII/Var2_S4-9.pdf
 

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