A modern cruiser?

[johnpjones1775]

Tube count is easy, coming up with a good measure for sensor quality is the challenge.

I still stand by my count for missiles, a cruiser needing more than 100 "tactical-length" missile cells and another 30+ "strike-length" Mk41 or PVLS plus 6x APMs or MLS (24x birds) for hypersonics. (Note that I support the continued use of PVLS as a way to sneak another 50+ft of usable missile cell area on each side of the Helo deck.)

Call it "over 150 missile cells" as the minimum for a cruiser in terms of weapons. This would make the Japanese ASEVs not meet the definition of cruiser, not enough missile cells (and arguably insufficient offensive missiles fitted). And that'd make the MSDF happy.

What say you all, Destroyers have over 100 missile cells? Frigates have over 50?


Saying "better radar than a Burke" is probably the appropriate floor for a cruiser, but I'd like a more formal definition than that.

I believe that "equipped with SPY6V1 or SPY7V1" should be the sensor floor for US-allies cruisers.

Or were you wanting to go back to the "Rate" system? Not to mention, how would that work since there's no battleships anymore? "Cruisers" 1st-3rd rate, Destroyers 4th rate, Frigates 5th rate, and anything under that as "unrated"?

Personally I don’t care what terminology is used as long as there’s a logical set of requirements.
As for the ‘there’s no battleships anymore’ part that’s easily solvable. Shift every thing ‘up’ one classification and what we’re currently generally calling cruisers now, are battleships, things like Burkes and 055s are cruisers, etc, etc. all the way down to LCSes being classified as a type of frigate (littoral frigate for example)

 

[Scott Kenny]

Personally I don’t care what terminology is used as long as there’s a logical set of requirements.
As for the ‘there’s no battleships anymore’ part that’s easily solvable. Shift every thing ‘up’ one classification and what we’re currently generally calling cruisers now, are battleships, things like Burkes and 055s are cruisers, etc, etc. all the way down to LCSes being classified as a type of frigate (littoral frigate for example)

I suspect that the "rate" system is so far out of use that nobody thinks that way anymore, so Cruisers/Destroyers/Frigates is going to stick with us for a really long time.

I mean, it's been more than 150 years since people stopped using ship rates in the USN.

That said, thank you for bringing it up, I'm going to file that in my worldbuilding notes for a possibility.

 

[johnpjones1775]

I suspect that the "rate" system is so far out of use that nobody thinks that way anymore, so Cruisers/Destroyers/Frigates is going to stick with us for a really long time.

I mean, it's been more than 150 years since people stopped using ship rates in the USN.

That said, thank you for bringing it up, I'm going to file that in my worldbuilding notes for a possibility.

I’ll accept a $100 contractor fee for my contributions

 

[johnpjones1775]

Wanting to make cruisers into flat tops isnt a new phenomenon lol.

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[johnpjones1775]

Also I think a helo cruiser/mini-LPD wouldn’t be too ridiculous.

Large flight and hangar capable of operating at least 3 MH60s or one osprey.
Davits for either two large RHIBs or small landing craft, and berthing and armory space for at least one platoon of marines or SOF.

But that kinda steps on the toes of the ESB.

 

[Scott Kenny]

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Also I think a helo cruiser/mini-LPD wouldn’t be too ridiculous.

Large flight and hangar capable of operating at least 3 MH60s or one osprey.
Davits for either two large RHIBs or small landing craft, and berthing and armory space for at least one platoon of marines or SOF.

But that kinda steps on the toes of the ESB.

Isn't that what the trimaran LCS basically can do for hangar/flight deck?

 

[johnpjones1775]

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Isn't that what the trimaran LCS basically can do for hangar/flight deck?

I don’t really drink though. How about a rootbeer and $25 contractor fee

Not even close. I think it can operate one MH60 and one medium-large UAV, but only has hangar space for 2 MH60s.

It’s a big flight deck but it’s not that big

Edit
It can do two MH60s at once or a single sea stallion.
But I don’t think it has the cold or dry stores space to support and extra 50 people for very long, and definitely doesn’t have the capability to support those troops once they’re ashore beyond the helos like a helicopter cruiser would.

Flight deck size id say like 4/5 the width and 3/4 the length of a San Antonio’s flight deck, or roughly. (I can’t find dimensions for their flight decks)