Royal Navy’s SSN-AUKUS Submarines to feature VLS​

Huh, that's a first for the UK.

I'm assuming that we're talking about the Advanced Payload Modules as used in the bows of Virginia-class.
 
Huh, that's a first for the UK.

I'm assuming that we're talking about the Advanced Payload Modules as used in the bows of Virginia-class.
Probably derived from that, but NL quote the sources as calling the launchers 'AUKUS-specific vertical deployment tubes', suggesting they'll overall be a new design.
 
Probably derived from that, but NL quote the sources as calling the launchers 'AUKUS-specific vertical deployment tubes', suggesting they'll overall be a new design.
Could be based on the Quads of the Columbia and Dreadnought classes as well.

I don't think the designs will be significantly different from those in the bows of Virginia-class, however.
 
No doubt expanding on the work done for the attack class, the French are now offering conventionally powered versions of Suffren to European navies. Still no sign of US Virginia class boats or indications that the Virginia class production line is ramping up to meet AUKUS demand.


The Blacksword Barracuda is derived from the nuclear-powered Suffren-class submarine but adapted as a conventionally powered platform. The same design family was selected by the Royal Netherlands Navy for its future Orka-class submarine program (4 boats too). They will be the first submarines of the RNLN that are built at a foreign shipyard.
 
No doubt expanding on the work done for the attack class, the French are now offering conventionally powered versions of Suffren to European navies. Still no sign of US Virginia class boats or indications that the Virginia class production line is ramping up to meet AUKUS demand.
Here’s another interesting write up that emphasizes how revolutionary the new Li-Ion batteries are, especially when combined with other improvements to snorkel and diesel technology. Basically SSKs will be able to charge in very short and intermittent bursts, significantly reducing their vulnerability and improving their tactical mobility.

Now add 15,000nm/70 day range, carriage for 30 torpedoes etc, and you’re getting much closer to SSN performance than in the past… at 10-20% of the cost.

The lithium-ion battery revolution​

Finally, and this is one of its main advantages, Naval Group's new ocean-going submarine is equipped with a new generation of lithium-ion batteries that are revolutionizing the operation of non-nuclear-powered vessels.

Submariners believe that in combat, the robustness and performance of the new batteries will provide an undeniable operational advantage and increased survivability compared to fuel cells, whose performance in the event of depth charges remains unknown, as the situation has never arisen. Furthermore, submarine mobility has become a vital issue in the face of the proliferation of anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities. This leads a former French submarine commander to declare that "the old-fashioned warfare, where submarines behaved like drifting mines, is over."

Far safer than the older lead-acid batteries found in most conventional submarines, they have a 40% longer lifespan and, moreover, offer a significantly higher energy density. Thus, the submarine, capable of reaching speeds of 20 knots submerged, can, at any time, access maximum power for its tactical maneuvers, particularly in dangerous situations, such as when it needs to evade an enemy torpedo or escape an anti-submarine warfare helicopter. This capability is crucial for the survival of the vessel and its crew.

Li-ion battery technology allows the vessel, depending on the mission profile, to remain submerged for up to 14 days. On paper, this is slightly less than some air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems sold by competitors, such as German fuel cells, which, according to their manufacturer, can offer up to three weeks of underwater autonomy. However, this duration is achieved by navigating at very low speeds, just a few knots, when the submarine isn't simply drifting, whereas the Li-ion solution, for example, offers, according to Naval Group, twice the evasive endurance. In short, according to the French manufacturer, the Blacksword Barracuda benefits from strategic mobility and a long-range projection capability that its adversaries lack. This was one of the key arguments that swayed the Dutch bidder, where the choice of the French offer was not initially a given. However, when the Dutch compared the performances, they were convinced by the Li-ion solution.

These batteries also offer other crucial advantages, such as their ability to be used regardless of their charge level and their charging flexibility. Whenever possible, the submarine, which regularly returns to the surface to report its position to headquarters, gather intelligence, and receive orders, can, at periscope depth, deploy its snorkel to draw in fresh air and immediately start its diesel engines to begin recharging its batteries. For this purpose, the Blacksword Barracuda is equipped with a dry air tube system, which allows the engines to start immediately, whereas older tubes were filled with water and had to be drained before use, a process that could take around twenty minutes. The Naval Group submarine is also equipped with two large MTU diesel engines to accelerate the recharging process. A few dozen minutes are enough to recover part of the charge and, if the batteries are totally depleted, it takes less than a night to recharge them to 100%.
 
Here’s another interesting write up that emphasizes how revolutionary the new Li-Ion batteries are, especially when combined with other improvements to snorkel and diesel technology. Basically SSKs will be able to charge in very short and intermittent bursts, significantly reducing their vulnerability and improving their tactical mobility.

Now add 15,000nm/70 day range, carriage for 30 torpedoes etc, and you’re getting much closer to SSN performance than in the past… at 10-20% of the cost.


I read an article the other day talking about using heat-pipe reactors, effectively micro-reactors, to allow continuous battery charging and allowing for full nuclear performance in bursts.

But honestly, using AIP for submerged recharging would work almost as well, at a fraction of the cost and without the necessity of AUKUS or establishing US military bases all over Australia.

Maybe we could get Malcolm to try a rapprochement with the French, if we can ever get an Australian government willing to try to get out from under the ridiculous AUKUS treaty.
 
Just additionally, I guess steel-cutting is going to have to come in the next couple of years, if we assume a decade to build the first boat.
 
Big news from RR. We knew stuff was progressing, but it seems they're moving quickly.
Not too surprising that they're working on production for the first boat plus long-lead items for the follow-ons.

The most important nugget is the planned drumbeat: "Lowe refers to plans to deliver reactors by the mid‑2030s, followed by an effort to reduce this from 18 months to 12‑month intervals into the late 2030s."

So say the first 2 SSN-AUKUS are built on an 18mo interval, reducing to 15mo for #3, and finally 12mo from #4 onwards. That would line up with the RAN getting #3 or #4 around 2042... BUT the real question is: is this drumbeat achievable? (Considering the glacial Astute production pace)
 
But honestly, using AIP for submerged recharging would work almost as well, at a fraction of the cost and without the necessity of AUKUS or establishing US military bases all over Australia.
As I understand it, the AIP install is barely enough for the hotel load and ~6-10kts. So you're not going to get much recharging out of the AIP without more or less drifting.
 
As I understand it, the AIP install is barely enough for the hotel load and ~6-10kts. So you're not going to get much recharging out of the AIP without more or less drifting.
But if you are moving to nuclear sized boats anyway, AIP (instead of diesels) plus 10 times as much lithium battery power? Basically an AIP Taigei class.
 

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