The Piaggio Projects

[hesham]

This report is shot the light on P.18 and P.20 projects,in very brief Info.

https://giadel.webnode.it/menu/ing-giovanni-pegna/

 

[hesham]

Hi,

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/6.2003-2531

 

[lucamax]

Dear Friends,
here I share an artist impression of the Piaggio P.132 fighter (source Aerei nella Storia n. 60).
Our friend Hesham shared the same pictur before, but I digitalized a bigger photo.
Does anyone have a complete 3-view of the project?
Cheers.
--
Luca

 

[lucamax]

Dear Friends,
I share also the 3-views of the Piaggio P.118 project.
Source: Aerei nella Storia, n. 99 (Dec. 2014).

 

[Hardrada1955]

Dear Friends,
here I share an artist impression of the Piaggio P.132 fighter (source Aerei nella Storia n. 60).
Our friend Hesham shared the same pictur before, but I digitalized a bigger photo.
Does anyone have a complete 3-view of the project?
Cheers.
--
Luca

Not a 3 view of the P.132

 

[lucamax]

Dear Friends,
here the draws of the Piaggio P. 120 and P.117 projects.
Credit: Volare Avanti - Storia degli Aerei Piaggio.
Hope you'll like!

 

[iverson]

Dear Friends,
here the draws of the Piaggio P. 120 and P.117 projects.
Credit: Volare Avanti - Storia degli Aerei Piaggio.
Hope you'll like!

From https://military-exotic.blogspot.com/:

 

[!Mark]

I enhanced the images with AI, they seem pretty good and I don't see distortions or artifacts made by the AI so I think they are quite reliable. I would like to identify these planes:

1) The large bomber with twin tail and seemingly no engines (some of you thought it was the P.133 but I'm not sure, one of you said it might have rear facing propellers but I can't really see them).
Edit: yea no way, it's not the P.133. It's totally different, different cockpit and different tail stabilizers. No visible engines, maybe they could have been hidden inside the plane?

2) The twin engine plane with single fuselage
Edit: I initially thought it was a totally unseen plane similar to the Ca.331 with a cage cockpit and the wings looked like they are swept a bit forward, now I identify it as an early model of the P.111 high altitude research bomber prototype with pressurized cabin. It's still possible that they intended it to have slightly forward-swep wings for high altitude maneuverability and a different cabin shape than the final version of the P.111.

3) And all those twin boom/twin fuselage planes in the third image.

 

[hesham]

I enhanced the images with AI, they seem pretty good and I don't see distortions or artifacts made by the AI so I think they are quite reliable. I would like to identify these planes:

1) The large bomber with twin tail and seemingly no engines (some of you thought it was the P.133 but I'm not sure, one of you said it might have rear facing propellers but I can't really see them).
Edit: yea no way, it's not the P.133. It's totally different, different cockpit and different tail stabilizers. No visible engines, maybe they could have been hidden inside the plane?

2) The twin engine plane with single fuselage, kinda reminiscent of the Ca.331 but this is supposed to be Piaggio. There doesn't seem to be a cockpit canopy which makes me think it had a cage cockpit just like the Ca.331. Also the wings look like they are swept a little forward!

3) And all those twin boom/twin fuselage planes in the third image.

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Dear Mark, who can get allthese stuff,from which museum ?.

 

[!Mark]

Dear Mark, who can get allthese stuff,from which museum ?.

Nico said they were from the Piaggio Finale Ligure facility, I don't know if they can still be seen in real life.

 

[!Mark]

As I displayed before some unknown Piaggio Airplanes and Projects,here is anther group,
I wish to can ID them ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/bibliote...ste/Ala d'Italia/L'ALA D'ITALIA 1950 06-7.pdf

Hesham I see you got them from l'ala d'Italia, do you still have the pdf or the magazine number? Because the link doesn't work anymore

 

[hesham]

Hesham I see you got them from l'ala d'Italia, do you still have the pdf or the magazine number? Because the link doesn't work anymore

Please can you remember me,what was the number of the issue
and which year ?.

 

[!Mark]

Please can you remember me,what was the number of the issue
and which year ?.

Idk that's what I'm asking you

 

[!Mark]

To be honest, this one is probably just an initial model of the P.111 research aircraft, a high-altitude bomber with a pressurized cabin. It just doesn't seem to have the same cabin shape in the model as the final version. "The P.111 first flew on 9 April 1941. Employed in research related to pressurization of the cabin of the Piaggio P.108 heavy bomber, it made 110 test and research flights before being retired and scrapped early in 1943."
This plane is like the father of Italian high altitude bombers pressurized cabins.

 

[!Mark]

Please can you remember me,what was the number of the issue
and which year ?.

Oh now I can see the link preview and it says 1950 06-7. I tried looking online but couldn't find a pdf, maybe you have it?

 

[hesham]

Oh now I can see the link preview and it says 1950 06-7. I tried looking online but couldn't find a pdf, maybe you have it?

I get it.

 

[!Mark]

Yep I was right, it's the P.111. I found this image that shows the version with the different cabin, plus a twin boom version with central gondola that is definitely this one in the model shop, perhaps even the one with the twin fuselages although it doesn't appear in this blueprint. I attach also the original blueprint in low quality that I found, while here is an upscaled enhanced version I made:

 

[!Mark]

A-hah! Nico told us everything already in 2011.
So at this point the twin fuselage is the P.126 aka the Caccia or Combattimento Santangelo, the twin boom is the early P.111 as I already said, and to the right we can see another 2 models, same front section but longer single fuselage and different tail, one looks like it has the round cabin like the early P.111 single fuselage and the other one seems to have the definitive version of the cabin. So those 2 on the right could also be models related to the development of the P.111 when they were still trying different designs.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/italian-projects.2049/post-122861

 

[!Mark]

I believe this bomber is none other than the Ca.401 bideriva con motori in fusoliera (twin tail with engines in the fuselage, that's why you can't see them and why the plane is longer too). Among the wooden models there are probably the other versions of the Ca.401 too.