Follow-on Stinger - future MANPADS systems

Turkey's New MANPAD system SUNGUR replacing stingers
https://twitter.com/x/status/1844287443920617946
View: https://x.com/Defence_Turk/status/1844287443920617946


Display board detailing the specifications translated;

Diameter: 80 mm
Maximum Effective Range: 8 km
Minimum Effective Range: 500 m
Weight: 19 kg
Length: 175 cm
Missile Flight Time: 26 seconds
Target: Aircraft, Helicopter, UAV
Reaction Time: Less than 5 seconds
BSU Usage Time: 60 seconds
Missile Launch Speed: 25 m/s
Azimuth: 360°
Elevation Range: +10° to +65°
Operating Temperature: -40°C to +56°C
Net Explosive Weight: 8959 grams
 
Raytheon saying they have completed subsystem tests on their NGSRI, Next-Generation Short-Range Interceptor, and a system flight test demonstration will take place later this year, in competition with Lockheed to replace the Stinger missile. Claiming improved target acquisition, range and lethality with its enhanced range for operation and identification of aerial targets in low visibility environments.

Are the Raytheon missile group highlighting lasers limited performance in low visibility weather/smoke and why missiles have the better operational capability ?

https://insidedefense.com/insider/raytheon-completes-ngsri-subsystem-tests
 
Once again DoD/Army must rustle these programs back into a common component based modular (~70mm) missile/munition family rather than these 'government capture' babies.
 
I wonder if this will retain the 70mm heritage or will go to 80mm like some other MANPADS.
 
I'm wondering when a Stinger replacement will finally go into production as while the Stinger is a very capable, combat proven design it is, well, rather "Mature".
 
NMaude said:
I'm wondering when a Stinger replacement will finally go into production as while the Stinger is a very capable, combat proven design it is, well, rather "Mature".
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Casualty of the Peace Dividend.

If the Cold War had continued, Stinger likely would have been replaced in the late 1990s or early 2000s.

Forest Green said:
https://www.army.mil/article/285709...m_for_legacy_missile_delivers_a_sharper_sting[tweets deleted for space]
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If they can pack a solid fuel ramjet into a Stinger-sized package (70mm tube), then it can be packed into a Sidewinder-sized package... Or into APKWS.
 
MissileMan said:
Okay this gets interesting, MBDA has a son of Stinger VSHORAD to compliment their MISTRAL system.
https://www.mbda-systems.com/air-defence-how-mbda-covers-all-layers-air-defenceBut it looks so WEIRD, look at the gripstock lmaoooo
https://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda-a...-fulgur-very-short-range-missile-italian-army
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Copied Shorts' homework with the Blowpipe/Javelin and not bothered to have the forward fins fold into the body; just enlarge the launch tube diameter at the muzzle to accomodate them in a forward-folded position?
 
Cthell said:
Copied Shorts' homework with the Blowpipe/Javelin and not bothered to have the forward fins fold into the body; just enlarge the launch tube diameter at the muzzle to accomodate them in a forward-folded position?
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Now that I think about it since you mentioned the Blowpipe/Javelin I don't know why the FIM-43C Redeye and the follow on FIM-92 Stinger didn't use the same solution eliminating the need for folding control-fins.
 
NMaude said:
Now that I think about it since you mentioned the Blowpipe/Javelin I don't know why the FIM-43C Redeye and the follow on FIM-92 Stinger didn't use the same solution eliminating the need for folding control-fins.
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Stinger's more compact tube stows more easily on vehicles, for starters.
 
Seragina said:
The main issue isn't just man-portable but aim time. The grunts don't have the luxury to setup the control box, aim to get a lock and then fire. An out of nowhere drone coming at speed must be countered by a missile that autolocks after firing so the grunts can simply point and pull he trigger in a hurry.
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The 'main issue' is the man portable aspect of it. This is a huge reasons these two efforts are separate. That and the expanded threat set for the Stinger replacement over the NGCI which is heavily if not exclusively Group 3-4 UAS and OWA focused (it's basically a Coyote follow on). They aren't talking about picking one or the other but rather looking at what would best replace the Avenger in the ANG units. With Stryker a dead end, the Army is looking at a JLTV or another light vehicle based technical solution that can interchangeably host either Counter small UAS capability (APKWS, Coyote, NGCI etc) or VSHORAD capability (Stinger, NGSRI etc) with mixed payloads also possible. All operated initially by FADC2 but eventually IBCS-M (Lattice based). But that's later next decade. Avenger divestment and replacement will probably look to enhance C-UAS capability while MSHORAD Inc. 4 eventually goes into the active Army units. A NGCI interceptor based solution coupled with MANPAD could be one such option.
 
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