Chengdu J-20 news and analysis Part III

[FighterJock]

I would not think that you would get model kits of the J-20S out of China just yet Scott Kenny, though I think that a few western companies might attempt to produce J-20S kits in the future.

 

[GTX]

I would not think that you would get model kits of the J-20S out of China just yet Scott Kenny, though I think that a few western companies might attempt to produce J-20S kits in the future.

 

[Scott Kenny]

Sweet!!! @GTX thank you!

 

[FighterJock]

Thanks GTX, I did not think that they would produce model kits that fast considering that it is brand new design, especially trying to reproduce the rear cockpit.

 

[Archibald]

Awesome, I need one for Christmas !

 

[jeffb]

Not sure if already posted but thought some closeups might be interesting...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904828173046735111

View: https://x.com/clashreport/status/1904828173046735111?t=mtaJPEfMGDXkoOWKd9ESQg&s=19

 

[Shaman Harris]

The Chinese marketed LD-10 as some small anti radiation missile.Will it carry it?

 

[Deino]

The Chinese marketed LD-10 as some small anti radiation missile.Will it carry it?

Unlikely ... the LD-10 is based on the SD-10 aka PL-12 a missile that does not fit the weapons bay.

An option could be a PL-15 based development of as on display at Zhuhai this one:

 

[Shaman Harris]

well

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/chengdu-j-20-news-and-analysis-part-iii.28479/page-10#post-339838

 

[Shaman Harris]

Unlikely ... the LD-10 is based on the SD-10 aka PL-12 a missile that does not fit the weapons bay.

An option could be a PL-15 based development of as on display at Zhuhai this one:

View attachment 765222

Is than some kind of ir sensor?

 

[Deino]

well

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/chengdu-j-20-news-and-analysis-part-iii.28479/page-10#post-339838

That was a discussion in 2018 and we have so far never seen a PL-12 on any J-20 …

By the way, here‘s the PL-15 based ARM:

 

[Shaman Harris]

It will be truly impressive if it achieve supercruise >1.6 Mach with ws-15.Is the aerodynamics suited for such feat?

 

[Shaman Harris]

There is a faux nuance discourse in regards to canards ,namely deflection.

 

[Shaman Harris]

That was a discussion in 2018 and we have so far never seen a PL-12 on any J-20 …

By the way, here‘s the PL-15 based ARM:by

View attachment 765250

Can be carried by GJ-11.Likely to be controlled by j-20S.

 

[Shaman Harris]

No need to risk manned plane for SEAD

 

[SUPER=BUG]

It's hard to believe that this is a rough model of the J20 that someone came up with in 2007······

 

[JetBrain]

It's hard to believe that this is a rough model of the J20 that someone came up with in 2007······
View attachment 766039

It is not that hard to believe. The J-20 was developed from the J-9, and the development of the J-9 began in the 1960s.

 

[Forest Green]

INDOPACOM Boss Stresses Risk to Air Superiority in Pacific

China has advanced in air combat to the point that it can deny the U.S. air superiority in the Western Pacific, the head of INDOPACOM said.

www.airandspaceforces.com

China is reportedly also building its premiere stealth fighter, the J-20, at a rate of 40-50 airframes per year.

 

[Deino]

INDOPACOM Boss Stresses Risk to Air Superiority in Pacific

China has advanced in air combat to the point that it can deny the U.S. air superiority in the Western Pacific, the head of INDOPACOM said.

www.airandspaceforces.com

Funny … this rate was the rate per year 2-3 years ago

 

[TomcatViP]

That´s an alleged 50% less than late 2024 estimates.

Also, this:

“our on-point, contact layer, immediately able to impose costs”

Spoiler: Related Joke

Now, we might know what the X means when attached to the late F-15E derivative... The EX wife's la(w)yer.

View: https://youtu.be/-WDMHKgBfpE?t=90

 

[TSARb]

Evolution of what became J-20.

The first iteration by the 601/611 looks very familiar.

 

[FighterJock]

Interesting find TSARb, the final 601/611 design does look a lot like the finished J-20 just a few design tweaks and there you have it.

 

[TSARb]

The canards moved farther from the wing to provide sufficient pitching moment at low speed. Due to the lack of thrust-vectoring I suppose.

 

[FighterJock]

Interesting TSARb, I did not realise that the canards were moved forward to provide suficient thrust at low speed.

 

[Shaman Harris]

Can the AL-31FM2 version supercruise?

 

[paralay]

MiG 1.42

 

[Tomboy]

Can the AL-31FM2 version supercruise?

No, only J-20A and production J-20 can supercruise

 

[paralay]

J-20 with two engines of 9500 kgf / 15400 kgf, is calculated to be capable of cruising supersonic speed of 1750 km/h or M=1.65

 

[mokahete]

J-20 with two engines of 9500 kgf / 15400 kgf, is calculated to be capable of cruising supersonic speed of 1750 km/h or M=1.65

At what altitude and with IWB payload?

 

[Shaman Harris]

More dry thrust than fm2? How large is the fleet with fm2?

 

[F119Doctor]

J-20 with two engines of 9500 kgf / 15400 kgf, is calculated to be capable of cruising supersonic speed of 1750 km/h or M=1.65

Why do you think that static thrust levels have anything to do with supercruise capability? Having high specific impulse (high exhaust velocity at Mil power) and maintaining it at supercruise inlet conditions (100+ F) is necessary to achieve significant supercruise performance.

 

[Tomboy]

More dry thrust than fm2? How large is the fleet with fm2?

0, only the prototypes used it. LRIP units switched to a existing WS-10 variant and production units has a specially designed WS-10 variant for J-20. Word from credible PLA watchers is that all new production J-20s built in 2025 are now As which means they get a redesigned airframe and WS-15.