Norwegian AAW/ASW Frigate 20XX

TomS said:
Seems like going the long way around when they could just buy their own FREMM variant from Italy.
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The problem we run into here is that Norway really wants it to be a common variant with the navy of whoever builds it, and for the first ship to be delivered in 2029. Coming from using Aegis on their last ships, and being a member of the ESSM consortium, that clashes with, say, just buying FREMM-EVO off of Italy (the same goes for FDI from France).

It also has to be said that Fincantieri's yard responsible for building Italian major surface combatants - Riva Trigoso - is going to be packed for the foreseeable future. They plan to cut first steel on both the FREMM-EVO imminently (for delivery of the first ship in 2029 and the second in 2030, and the pair of DDX will not be far behind them. There is also the two PPA that will replace those sold to Indonesia, which and Fincantieri wants to start building those next year. They are, at present, building the new oceanic hydrography ship for the MMI (NIOM) and just cut steel on the first 'PPX' OPV. It is hard to see Italy delivering a frigate to Norway in 2029, from an Italian yard, unless one of the FREMM-EVO is redirected to them.

Vard's proposal is to build the hulls of the their FREMM at one of their yards in Romania, and then bring them to Norway to complete fitting out. They may also be something that sits between the FREMM-IT and FFG-62, rather than a pure copy of the Constellation-class. Which is at least something Fincantieri has looked at before - their offering to Greece had options for FREMM fitted with either European or American systems - but this would not be the same as being common to either design.
 
So sick of the dooming around the Constellation program. It’s ready when it’s ready.

Who would’ve thought it might be a bad idea to have a shipyard that’s never built anything larger than an LCS redesign a foreign vessel twice its size? That said, there’s minimal technical risk associated with the design, there’s not a single piece of new hardware on that ship.

Considering the issue is just making everything fit together with domestically sourced components and upgrading DC standards, and there’s already an RFI for a second yard, I fully expect Constellation production will continue.

The issues that plagued the Zumwalt and LCS programs just aren’t applicable here. This is more akin to what killed VH-71 Kestrel. And I doubt NAVSEA is changing design requirements, that’s just not how these programs work. The increased DC standards were publicized when FFG(X) was first announced.

I strongly suspect NAVSEA intentionally ignored the issues with FMM because
A) Fincantiari wouldn’t license the design to another yard, and it was the only serious candidate
B) One of the HASC(?) members represents the FMM district
 
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And also, no one anticipated the headache the damn Saudi ships being built there have proven. Those have been hit with delay after delay - two of them might not have even had steel cut! - and the lead ship was supposed to be commissioned two years ago. Why this is happening is unclear, though fingers have been pointed on the Saudis constantly changing design requirements.

Regardless, they're eating up space and workforce that were supposed to have gone to Constellation and Congress.
 
CV12Hornet said:
And also, no one anticipated the headache the damn Saudi ships being built there have proven. Those have been hit with delay after delay - two of them might not have even had steel cut! - and the lead ship was supposed to be commissioned two years ago. Why this is happening is unclear, though fingers have been pointed on the Saudis constantly changing design requirements.

Regardless, they're eating up space and workforce that were supposed to have gone to Constellation and Congress.
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At some point you have to wonder if the Saudis are purposely delaying the ships to harm the USN...
 
Grey Havoc said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/1kfivqm/the_last_four_competitors_for_the_next_norwegian
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I thought the F126 (specialized ASW frigate) was considered, the A400 AMD/F127 is a dedicated AAW frigate though. Something especially evident in the armament of both, with the F126 being mostly armed to defend itself while conducting ASW. On the other hand the F127 has more VLS to contribute to the air defense bubble of NATO formations at sea.
 
Norway selects Type 26 as Future Frigate

https://twitter.com/x/status/1962095734636872114
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https://www.forsvaret.no/aktuelt-og-presse/aktuelt/fregatt-status-aug25
Translation of Norwegian MoD Press Release by Google

At a press conference on Sunday, August 31, the Prime Minister announced that the government has chosen the United Kingdom as a strategic partner for the acquisition of new frigates. The Minister of Defence and the Chief of Defence attended together with the Prime Minister.

The Chief of Defence emphasizes that all four nations that offered frigate cooperation are close allies and can deliver good frigates. The Defence has been closely involved in the process throughout and supports the decision to have the United Kingdom as a strategic partner.

– The Chief of the Navy, Rear Admiral Oliver Berdal, the Chief of the Defence Operations Headquarters, Vice Admiral Rune Andersen, and I myself stand united behind the government's decision, says General Eirik Kristoffersen.

Chief of Defence Kristoffersen elaborates on the importance of the acquisition taking place as a whole, together with a strategic partner, and that as much as possible must be similar. Unique Norwegian solutions must be avoided.

– Norwegian frigates with anti-submarine capability give us influence and contribute to credible deterrence. This is a capability that can be included in allied vessel groups, such as aircraft carrier groups, says the Chief of Defence.

At the same time as this decision has been made, Norwegian frigates are operating with allies. KNM Roald Amundsen is operating with a British aircraft carrier group in the Indo-China Sea and KNM Thor Heyerdahl is operating with a US aircraft carrier group in Norwegian waters.

The clarification of a strategic partner for the frigate brings the Defence Forces further in the implementation of the long-term plan for the defence sector.

– Norway has close maritime cooperation with the UK, a cooperation that has been ongoing since the Second World War. The UK is the best strategic partner for the frigate procurement. This decision is supported by the Defence Forces, says Chief of Defence Eirik
Kristoffersen.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/norway-picks-uks-type-26-as-next-generation-frigate/
 
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