TAI TF-X / Milli Muharip Uçak MMU Kaan

Nah, MLG seems to be packaged akin to this early Su-57 concept:
 

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the bottom bay seems to extend a bit forward compared to the side bays
about where that hexagon panel ends.
it would mean its too far forward to be the bay for the rear landing gears
it also seems its too far to the sides to be used for the front landing gear

not sure how far back this bottom bay extends though, since the guy is blocking the way in the other picture

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"Prototype products within the scope of "Development of Long Wavelength Infrared Trace Reduction Paint" and "Development of Radar Absorbing Paste (Sealant)" carried out with TAI, which will contribute to the projects we will develop regarding invisibility (trace reduction) technology, which is very critical for the 5th generation aircraft. We completed the production and passed the performance tests."
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"We have successfully completed the development, verification and acceptance activities of the RASEM software, which will be used in the electromagnetic design processes to give the National Combat Aircraft (MMU) invisibility under radar, and delivered the software to TAI. At the same time, we completed the set designs within the scope of the HAVSET-Phase 1 project to ensure the low visibility of the air duct of the MMU on radar and delivered to TAI; Thus, we have moved on to Phase 2 of the HAVSET project."
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https://arproged.okan.edu.tr/tr/fee...-ve-teknolojik-bagimsizligina-adanmis-bir-yil
 
Nah it's pretty decent considering ASELSAN hasn't quite developed another platform such as this. Regarding end performance... well we don't know. I'm obviously referring to the specs that are given, and so far so good. It being "pretty standard" ticks all the boxes for me, which in turn makes it good.
 
I can buy a HD IR camera online for 50k...

Detector resolution is only one small part of end performance. There are many other important characteristics, that are mostly not listed on pr brochures.
 
red admiral said:
I can buy a HD IR camera online for 50k...

Detector resolution is only one small part of end performance. There are many other important characteristics, that are mostly not listed on pr brochures.
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Detector resolution plays an important role but it doesn't matter. Just because it's a small part of the equation doesn't change the fact that is indeed a part of the equation. You see, the term "end performance" is rather vague. Considering there won't be colossal mishaps with the rest of the platform (ASELSAN has proven its worth as a company to begin with), the end product will most likely be on par with her close competitors albeit being a little heavier.

But I was simply referring to her specs on the brochure, and those specs are genuinely good. They aren't suboptimal are they? End performance doesn't matter since I'm not referring to it. Needless discussion imho.
 
red admiral said:
I can buy a HD IR camera online for 50k...

Detector resolution is only one small part of end performance. There are many other important characteristics, that are mostly not listed on pr brochures.
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Yeah but it's lifecycle, pixel pitch (probably), noise, algorithms, stabilisation, zoom, post processing etc will be much worse.
 
red admiral said:
I am sorry for questioning the Turkish super fighter
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You should be apologizing for opening a whole discussion over a single word But I don't mind it. Of course you may question the aircraft, it has been done before. I've heard a lot of ridiculous statements over these 10 years. As I said I don't mind it, as it is your right to do so. However I do not grasp this "Turkish super fighter" thing. No one is acting ultra-nationalistic here. We were having a perfectly valid discussion on electro-optical sensors.
 
Comparing a multi million dollar fighter-borne electro optical sensor that is made for 5th gen aircraft with a cheap commercially available camera is the most illogical thing I've seen today.

Nobody was being nationalistic or anything, they were simply pointing out this fact and saying that comparing the two doesn't make any sense.

Maybe you misunderstood the phrasing, but it is still not cool to start a dispute with a provocative language.
 
Thanks very much guys for continuing to post the content from Turkiye; it is really interesting

I'm just getting at that there is basically no analysis or critical thinking that accompanies this. e.g. what metrics / characterisitics do we actually need to care about? how do these compare to other aircraft? is this different? better? worse? and why?
 
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It has good specs.
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This should be the FPA that will be used in Toygun, 1280x1024 @ 10μM Pixel Pitch
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red admiral said:
Thanks very much guys for continuing to post the content from Turkiye; it is really interesting

I'm just getting at that there is basically no analysis or critical thinking that accompanies this. e.g. what metrics / characterisitics do we actually need to care about? how do these compare to other aircraft? is this different? better? worse? and why?
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Here's an informative thread about detector developments:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1647615318133448704
View: https://twitter.com/kadirdogantr/status/1647615318133448704?t=qoxFp10_dQ8oc0N3mhG4xQ&s=19
 

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How would the long, protruded LEX of the MMU would affect the aircraft's maneuverability or observability?

Iirc other similar low-observable fighters don't have it
 
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Head engineer:

-In the near future, our plan is to fly our first prototype aircraft within the year. Then we will design 7 prototypes on the way to mass production. Then there will be tests of aircraft and systems, flight and ground tests. Besides, we will have some flight test platforms. We will also perform our tests on some platforms. We plan to deliver our aircraft to our Air Force by 2028.

-You see examples of this all over the world. The first prototype we produced will be in this geometry, and the second will be in the same way. We aim to reach a solution by going step by step in the face of the problems we have seen and encountered in ground tests and flight tests. These 7 tests are already planned to support these activities on our aircraft. We have a very short calendar. A plane to be delivered to the Air Force in 2028 means a very short timetable in terms of delivery, if you look at the examples all over the world. In this calendar, we need to do a lot of prototypes and experiments. These trials do not only need to be in flight, the aircraft will also be prepared with wind tunnels, ground tests, 'Iron Bird' tests and static tests. Maybe we'll have one static test too. We will produce another one of the same aircraft and perform our tests that will statically tire and force it. Besides, maybe we will have a fatigue test. We will produce it from the same plane and subject it to fatigue tests for a certain hour. We will perform these tests by constantly loading under revolutionary loads. We will try to clear a certain flight time and plan to hand it over to our forces as such.

-There is a design team of 1500 people, and a total of nearly 3,000 people are working on the aircraft.

-We are trying to establish a master-apprentice relationship. We are enlarging our team by recruiting new journeymen and apprentices, by using our experienced friends from HÜRKUŞ, HÜRJET, GÖKBEY and ATAK as masters and new graduates as apprentices. This growth took place at a really fast pace. At the moment, we have come across a certain plateau and we are planning to produce prototypes of these aircraft within 3-5 years and take the prototypes to flight, while maintaining our team on that plateau.

-We will have a surprise about MMU on May 1st. I won't explain now, let's just say wait for our surprise.


BTW TF-X's IRST


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