A.M.E. aircraft (Aeronáutica Militar Española)

[hesham]

From Aerea 1/1927,


is that a CASA IX fighter project ?,I can't translate well.

 

[Antonio]

Not from CASA. That's a private design from an engineer

 

[c460]

Hi Hesham,
This is a great find!

The name A.M.E. is for Aeronáutica Militar Española. There was a previous A.M.E. VI, a modified copy of the Bristol F.2B, designed by Manuel Bada Vasallo and Arturo González Gil, of which two prototypes and 20 series production aircraft were built in the Talleres de Cuatro Vientos (Cuatro Vientos Workshops).

The project A.M.E. IX was designed by the same Manuel Bada Vasallo, and models were tested in the wind tunnel at Cuatro Vientos, with either Hispano 500 hp or Jupiter VI 420 hp engine.

We are left to wonder if there were other A.M.E. designs.

Adrien

 

[Maveric]

...an other 3view of the A.M.E. IX...

 

[Maveric]

A.M.E. IV

 

[Maveric]

A.M.E. VI

 

[Maveric]

A.M.E. VIII

 

[c460]

Great posts!
Can I ask you where did you find the drawings of A.M.E. VIII and IX ?
About the A.M.E. IV, I'm pretty certain that this is a mislabeled A.M.E. VI, you can compare with these other photographs.
Adrien

 

[Maveric]

Hi c460,
the drawings are from "Taschenbuch der Luftflotten"but i can´t remember the year (192?).

 

[richard]

Hi c460,
the drawings are from "Taschenbuch der Luftflotten"but i can´t remember the year (192?).

1928/29

 

[Maveric]

Thanks richard for your correction.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dears very much,


and what was AME.VIII aircraft ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi all,


now I remember this company,as my dear Adrien said,it was Aeronautica Militar Espanola
which established at Cuatro Vientos,near Madrid,headquarters of the Spanish Military Air
Service,and had its own workshops and laboratory.


And I suspect in DIAZ Type-C fighter is one of its production,am I right ?.


http://flyingmachines.ru/Site2/Crafts/Craft32965.htm

 

[iverson]

A.M.E. VI

The wings look like they are from the Bristol F2b Fighter.

 

[c460]

A.M.E. VI

The wings look like they are from the Bristol F2b Fighter.

Yes, the A.M.E. VI was a modified copy of the Bristol Fighter.

 

[hesham]

A.M.E. VIII

The Type-VIII,but what was it ?.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201926%20011.pdf

 

[hesham]

...an other 3view of the A.M.E. IX...

Hi,

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201927%2009.pdf

 

[hesham]

now I remember this company,as my dear Adrien said,it was Aeronautica Militar Espanola
which established at Cuatro Vientos,near Madrid,headquarters of the Spanish Military Air
Service,and had its own workshops and laboratory.

And I suspect in DIAZ Type-C fighter is one of its production,am I right ?.

And I am still suspect in DIAZ Type-C is one of its products ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the A.M.E-VIII was a two-seat light bomber and co-operation biplane;

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k97675232.r=document%20aeronautique?rk=21459;2

 

[Justo Miranda]

Hi Maveric
The A.M.E. VI is Justo Miranda drawing

 

[hesham]

now I remember this company,as my dear Adrien said,it was Aeronautica Militar Espanola
which established at Cuatro Vientos,near Madrid,headquarters of the Spanish Military Air
Service,and had its own workshops and laboratory.

And I suspect in DIAZ Type-C fighter is one of its production,am I right ?.

And I am still suspect in DIAZ Type-C is one of its products ?.

I discovered it was not.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

it seemed to be that the A.M.E.VII was a recce airplane as I guess,right ?.

From Aerea 5/1930

 

[hesham]

From L'Air Revue 1927,

a more Info about Type-VIII.

 

[Toryu]

A.M.E. IX?

 

[hesham]

And I am still suspect in DIAZ Type-C is one of its products ?.

From Aeroplano 37,

was that the same person ?.

 

[Apophenia]

And I am still suspect in DIAZ Type-C is one of its products ?.

From Aeroplano 37,

was that the same person ?.

No. Díaz is a really common Spanish surname.

The builder of the Díaz Tipo C ('Caza') was Amalio Díaz Fernandez - better-known for his production of wooden propellers at Getafe (and, IIRC, rotor blades for Cierva). The Tipo C fighter was based on a 1917 design begun by Julio Adaro Terradillos (who later produced the Adaro 1.E.7 Chirta prototype.

As for AME involvement with the Tipo C, I see no reason to assume that Amalio Díaz wasn't capable of building this prototype himself.

 

[Justo Miranda]

A.M.E. VI

 

[Arjen]

The Spanish wiki-page says the A.M.E. VI was a derivative of the Bristol F.2 Fighter. Any more information about that?

AME VI - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

es.wikipedia.org

Edit: already answered by c460 in reply #15 - it was.

 

[Justo Miranda]

The Spanish wiki-page says the A.M.E. VI was a derivative of the Bristol F.2 Fighter. Any more information about that?

AME VI - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

es.wikipedia.org

Edit: already answered by c460 in reply #15 - it was.

Version of the Bristol F.2B with Hispano Suiza 8Fb engine (300 hp), new cooling system and modified tailfin and rudder

 

[Arjen]

I thought it looked familiar. Thanks!

 

[hesham]

From, Aviones Espanoles del siglo XX,

the AME.VI.

 

[hesham]

From Aeroplano 37,

was that the same person ?.

The translate,

Born in San Juan, Puerto Rico, on March 26, 1893. At the end of August 1908, he joined the Infantry as a student; he obtained the ranks of second and first lieutenant in July 1911 and 1913, respectively.

In August 1916, he joined the Zeluán Aerodrome, where he attended the observer course, obtaining his certificate in June of the following year. On September 1, he returned to Zeluán as an observer and head of the Photographic Office, and in November of that same year he was promoted to captain.
From May 18 to 27, 1918, he was acting head of Zeluán and its Photographic Office. In June, he was again appointed acting head of the aerodrome until December 1, 1919, when he resigned and returned to Getafe to complete the pilot course.

In February 1920, he moved to Cuatro Vientos Aerodrome to train with de Havilland aircraft. In March, he joined Zeluán as a pilot and barracks manager. In August, he became acting commander. In December, he was appointed acting commander again until mid-February 1921.

At the end of August, he flew to Larache, where he commanded the squadron until January 1922, when he joined Cuatro Vientos. In 1923, while a professor at the Transformation School at Cuatro Vientos, he died in a plane crash on January 8, 1923.

 

[Apophenia]

Okay, the "he" in question being Aeronáutica Española observer/photographer (and later pilot) Pedro Gonzáles Díaz. But what was your purpose in translating this information? None of it is relevant to the Aeronáutica Militar Española thread (or even to the designer of the Díaz Tipo C - Amalio Díaz Fernandez).

OT: Earlier, you asked about the Bada Vasallo-designed AME VIII project. I presume that this 2-seat military sesquiplane was intended for the recce and/or light-bomber role. The AME VIII was to be of fabric-covered metallic construction (duralumin being mentioned but with an implication that part of the structure was of another metal - perhaps steel tubing?).

The AME VIII was to be powered by an uncowled 420 hp Bristol Jupiter radial driving a 2-bladed propeller. All fuel would be contained within the wings, gravity-feeding the engine. Two machine guns were to be synchronised to fire through the propeller arc with another pair of guns on a flexible mount in the observer's cockpit.

The AME VIII design proceeded as far as model testing in the 3 metre Cuatro Vientos wind tunnel.

 

[hesham]

Okay, the "he" in question being Aeronáutica Española observer/photographer (and later pilot) Pedro Gonzáles Díaz. But what was your purpose in translating this information? None of it is relevant to the Aeronáutica Militar Española thread (or even to the designer of the Díaz Tipo C - Amalio Díaz Fernandez).

OK,I just want to translate the text,and of course they were a two different persons.