Swiss MBT 1980's
Is this what was sometimes called the Lamgorghini tank? I have a line drawing (which I will post if someone tells me how) and a description referring to 'a streamlined egg shaped turret rather like the Russian T-54.'
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Hi smurf,
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Thanks. I will try.
A. the description was found in Angelucci's book 'Modern Armour' I think it was also in Jane's for the late 1980's but I don't have those. It's hard to see how it could be written unless someone had seen drawings.
B. the picture came from a Japanese website. The machine translation on it referred to 40 tons, front engine, acute angle armour and 105mm rifle or 120mm smooth bore. I have a downloaded page but the pictures there won't show - except by opening the files to get at the gif, which is what I hope follows. I do not have a url for it.
PS forgive the typo for Lamborghini
A. the description was found in Angelucci's book 'Modern Armour' I think it was also in Jane's for the late 1980's but I don't have those. It's hard to see how it could be written unless someone had seen drawings.
B. the picture came from a Japanese website. The machine translation on it referred to 40 tons, front engine, acute angle armour and 105mm rifle or 120mm smooth bore. I have a downloaded page but the pictures there won't show - except by opening the files to get at the gif, which is what I hope follows. I do not have a url for it.
PS forgive the typo for Lamborghini
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I have a copy of the description in Jane's 1979/80. It's more like the Japanese website line drawing (which may of course have been drawn from it. The picture posted by Jazz has a much squarer turret and is a different (later developed?) version. 120mm gun?
The Leopard 2 won out in the end.
Has anyone any information, pictures, of any of the early concept studies referred to in Jane's?
The Leopard 2 won out in the end.
Has anyone any information, pictures, of any of the early concept studies referred to in Jane's?
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I suspect that the round turreted drawing was only conceptual rather than being the basis of any real design. Spaced arounr or even cobham armour. The NKPz (square turret) has the following specifications
Overall length 8.508m
Hull length 7.725m
Width - with/without skirts 3.630m / 3.4550m
Height top turret roof 2.570m
weight - combat 50t
Armament 120mm Rheinmetall smoothbore - 50 rounds
7.5mm co-axial MG
7.5mm ring mounted MG
Engine V12 990kW
Additional schematic attached
Overall length 8.508m
Hull length 7.725m
Width - with/without skirts 3.630m / 3.4550m
Height top turret roof 2.570m
weight - combat 50t
Armament 120mm Rheinmetall smoothbore - 50 rounds
7.5mm co-axial MG
7.5mm ring mounted MG
Engine V12 990kW
Additional schematic attached
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The development was launched about 1975, but was already abandoned in 1984 when the purchase of Leo IIs was reviewed by Bundesrat und Parlament.rdmr said:
Zeitenwende für den «Rüstungsfilz» | NZZ
Der Bundesrat wollte 1984 mehr als 400 Leopard-Panzer in der Schweiz bauen lassen, um die Rüstungsindustrie zu fördern. Doch das Parlament setzte den Rotstift an – auch wegen Nicolas Hayek.
www.nzz.ch
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Thanks, any more photos of the 3rd photo (model) avalible?
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The Swiss NKPz Main Battle Tank - TankNutDave.com
The Swiss NKPz Main Battle Tank was project to replace the Pz 68/88. It was cancelled and licenced production of the Leopard 2A4, designated the Pz 87.
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View: https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/6gi1gr/the_neuer_kampfpanzer_was_developed_by_contraves/
The reported involvement of Contraves is interesting. Is it possible that they were actually primarily focused on work on the anti-air variant?
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There is a 2 view on grid paper. Are the large squares one meter?
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Were components of this vehicle ever constructed?
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Some sources say they are two early prototypes build, but had some development problem - as any bigger tank projekt.
No components were ever made. It was a pitch made by the Swiss industry (mostly Contraves), asking for funds to develop said tank.
The source is incorrect. Contraves' 1979 pitch suggested the contruction of six prototypes (two for the industry, four for the Swiss Army), but it was never taken up. Only a wooden scale model was produced.
The first prototypes were to be finished in 1982 (if funding was approved by 1979).
Rather than funding Contraves' design, the Swiss government issued a request for proposals to Germany (Leopard 2), France (AMX-40), Israel (Merkava), the United Kingdom (Challenger 1/Shir 2 and Vickers Valiant) and the United States (M1 Abrams) in 1979/80. After an initial evaluation of the bids and inter-government talks, the trial phase of the two most promising candidates (Leopard 2 and M1 Abrams) started in 1981.
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The Leopard 2 buy ultimately proved far to be more costly, both directly and otherwise, than the NKPz program would have incurred even in the most pessimistic costings, I believe.
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