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OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« on: June 16, 2006, 03:11:29 pm »
From Tony Buttler. He is looking for;

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North American's competitor to the Vought Crusader (spec was OS-130). This too had a variable incidence wing, but weighed 30,000lb which is why it lost. If anyone has a drawing or a model of this project, please let me know. It is one of the bigs gaps in the fighter book.

Can anyone help?

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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2006, 03:27:32 pm »
The requirement was issued in September 1952 to McDonnell, North American, Douglas, Convair, Lockheed, Grumman, Chance-Vought and Republic. Vought's V-383 was selected in May 1953.

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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2006, 03:34:27 pm »
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A total of 21 proposals were submitted from eight different aircraft companies. The most viable proposals were deemed by the Navy to be the Grumman XF11F-2 (a version of the F11F Tiger powered by the General Electric J79), the McDonnell F3H-G (a twin-engined adaptation of the F3H Demon), and the North American "Super Fury" (a navalized F-100), plus the Vought submission, which was given the company designation V-383.

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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2006, 04:09:49 pm »
I got these pics courtesy of Bill Simone, author of Ginter's F-107 book.  I suspect they depict the FJ-5.

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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2006, 04:18:17 pm »
Hey, does this forum rock or what!! Nice pictures Evan.

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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2006, 07:05:42 pm »
Thanks.  Tell Tony he'd best clear the use of those with Bill Simone first.  I know he's got Bill's work email.

The nice thing about those is that it's eminently modelable.  It's one of my projects that I'm gathering all the parts for.   I figure I'll be doing it in production unit markings.

Oh, as far as I know, the Douglas F5D-2 was their entry in this competition.
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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2006, 01:09:03 am »
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McDonnell F3H-G (a twin-engined adaptation of the F3H Demon)

According to Bill Guston's F-4 Phantom book, the F3H-G was only started when McDonnell lost the day fighter contest to Vought. This would make the above incorrect.
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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2006, 03:50:55 am »
According to Jeff Ethell, the F3H-G design was started in Summer 1953, immediately after losing the Day Fighter competition to Vought.

Presumably their design for this competition was an F3H derivative, but not F3H-G.
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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2006, 04:05:24 am »
 1) General Dynamics/Convair Model ?
 2) Douglas Model 6??
 3) Grumman Model 97
 4) Lockheed Model CL-?/Model ?
 5) McDonnell Model 98...
 6) North American Model RD-? (or ?),"FJ-5"
 7) Republic Model AP-? (or NP-?)
 8) Vought Model 383--------------------------------XF8U-1

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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2006, 06:04:16 am »
I am very interested to see these designs. Although I am very sorry that I do not have much in the way of this topic, except that I think the F-8 was a great (but underated design by history) design

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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2006, 09:53:39 am »
Dear Devi,

the McDonnell model-98 was for F-4 Phantom II ,and didn't exist in that time.
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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2006, 12:59:01 pm »
Devi,

for F-8 competition there were 22 proposals, from them were:

Northamerican Super Fury FJ-5,McDonnell F3H-G,Dopuglas F5D-1.



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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2006, 12:00:18 am »
Actually, I think Douglas was proposing the F5D-2, powered by a J79, as its entry.  Given a F5D-1 kit and the aft end of a F-104 fuselage (with exhaust nozzle), you could easily model one of these.

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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2006, 12:08:28 am »
...and I have this F-104 exhaust left by my CL-1200 Lancer. So I think about doing that model for some times now :)
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Re: OS-130: Competitors to the Vought F-8 Crusader
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2006, 12:13:52 am »
According to Jeff Ethell, the F3H-G design was started in Summer 1953, immediately after losing the Day Fighter competition to Vought.
Presumably their design for this competition was an F3H derivative, but not F3H-G.

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