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« on: December 27, 2005, 11:59:05 pm »
The original plans for the Tornado ADV included a LLTV mounted under the nose for long range target ID day or night, and an HMS.

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Marconi builds Tornado LLTV system Flight International 2 Sept 1978 p730
Ferranti Develops Helmet Sight Flight International 21 Oct 1978 p1468
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2006, 11:32:51 pm »
Need your help with Panavia Tornado 2000? proposal

A few years ago I was looking at an aviation magazine that had a brief blurb on a proposed Tornado 2000.
From what I can remember it was a proposal to increase the Tornado IDS limited range a more useful one, plus from memory it was to have an avionics update (and possibly some stealthier features).
The range increase was to be from insertion of fuselage plugs, before and after the wing box (i.e. Tornado F.3 style).

Does anyone have anything on this proposal?
Was it intended for the RAF? Or was it a proposal by the Panavia consortium?

I think an improved Tornado IDS of this proposed nature would be far more viable and marketable.
For as many times it has been proposed as an F-111 replacement for the RAAF, the existing Tornado IDS just doesn’t have the range, as far as I am concerned!

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Re: Need your help with Panavia Tornado 2000? proposal
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2006, 12:05:06 am »
The main fuselage and wings remained the same with the forward fuselage being extended in similar manor to the F-3 but with a new faceted appearance rather than the traditional boxy shape. The intakes were also changed to a more stealthy shape.

Avionics were to be updated and may be a more multimode radar fitted. I think somebody posted images a couple of years ago on What-if.

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Re: Need your help with Panavia Tornado 2000? proposal
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2006, 02:06:09 am »
Not a problem.

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Re: Need your help with Panavia Tornado 2000? proposal
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2006, 04:49:17 am »
Thanks Matej for the drawings

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Re: Need your help with Panavia Tornado 2000? proposal
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2006, 10:15:11 am »
I posted the first image, its from Air Power 2000 by Michael J. Gething. The second scan is from WAPJ Magazine Tornado IDS Variant Briefing, I'm not sure of issue.

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2006, 09:14:03 am »
GAFAD (German Air Force Air Defence)

Post 1975, single seat Tornado possibly with fixed wing.

By 1980, a carbon fibre FSW design was being studied, giving reduced drag at transonic speeds

LVJ Tornado

1980 project. Tornado ADV fuselage with low set compound delta wing and short coupled canards on air intakes.

Super Tornado (Tornado International)

1987 proposal. Tornado ADV cleared for Sea Eagle, ALARM and bombs. Offered to export customers and RAF for Buccaneer replacement. Stopped in 1988.

Tornado J

1987 proposal to Japan's FS-X program. Based on ADV airframe with features from IDS and ECR.

Tornado ADV Upgrade

In 1988 an upgrade of ADV with AN/APG-65 radar and EJ200 engines was briefly considered.

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World Air Power Journal 31 Winter 1997
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Re: Tornado Projects
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2006, 09:25:35 am »
Tornado ADV Upgrade

In 1988 an upgrade of ADV with AN/APG-65 radar and EJ200 engines was briefly considered.


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Re: Tornado Projects
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2006, 09:28:16 am »
Plus Tornado 2000

Single seat - if I remember correctly, its from www.vstol.org

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Re: Tornado Projects
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2006, 01:35:41 pm »
If anyone is looking for an artist's impression of the Tornado 2000, here is one from the "AIR International" May 1993 (pg 219)

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Artist's impression of BAe's proposed Tornado 2000, designed to fulfil the requirements of ASR 425 for a new combat aircraft which would enter service in the second decade of the next century. Intended as an advanced, multi-role, low-level penetrator version of the Tornado, the aircraftwould feature increased range, reduced radar cross section, electronic warfare enhancements, additional reconnaissance systems and compability with future precision guided weapons.

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2006, 04:32:54 pm »
Beautiful! Thanks  ;D
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Re: Tornado Projects
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2007, 04:51:34 am »
BAe ad from 1991 with something Tornado 2000 look-alike
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Re: Tornado Projects
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007, 10:02:25 am »
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Re: Tornado Projects
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2009, 08:23:13 am »
Tornado 2000 look-alike

The citation from the text in my reply no.3:

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There have been suggestions that the Tornado 2000 also formed the basis of a "Long Range Penetrator", with an even more dramatically chined forward fuselage, a fixed, highly swept delta wing, and prominent LERXes. This aircraft would have retained the Tornado 2000's massive conformal tanks, with ASMs carried semi-conformally on its sides.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

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Re: Tornado Projects
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 03:54:26 pm »
I know this thread is a little old - but!

I found this in a copy of Pacific Defence Reporter, Feb 1981, Vol VII No.8

With the aeroplane now entering service, Panavia reports a very high degree of interest from a large number of potential export customers some of whom have a requirement for both capabilities within a single variant.

This to me was the biggest down fall of the Tornado potential in terms of export potential - two specialized types 'Strike/Interdiction/reconn' or 'Interceptor'. Panavia failed to produce a true all-round multi-role variant within the one plane! Panavia failed to deliver on what the market wanted!
Only the likes of the RAF and the RSAF could afford to field two specialized variants!
Potential lost!!!!

Just my 20-cents worth
My opinion based on Tornado F2 or F3 variant fuselage (offering improved range on internal fuel and more internal space for avionics), with Hughes APG-65 'true' multi-mode radar = great all-round multi-role fighter-bomber?


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