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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #300 on: February 06, 2019, 01:22:55 am »
It does seem a small amount, compared to even the initial Anglo-French FCAS commitment which saw the UK allocate £120M as its share for the joint study phase. But this Dassault-Airbus contract isn't even at that stage yet, its simply a contract to define what the SCAF will be, what elements are needed and who is going to do what. This is top-level industrial level work, before anyone draws up any detailed specifications or even thinks about hardware. I'm not sure it signals a political reticence towards the project, it is just very early days in a 20 year development programme.

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #301 on: February 06, 2019, 03:23:47 am »
Hi...

In this article of La Tribune (In French, sorry) we learn too that 115 millions € are foreseen, from France to Safran, for the engine of the SCAF...

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/industrie/aeronautique-defense/la-france-et-l-allemagne-vont-notifier-un-premier-contrat-scaf-a-dassault-et-airbus-806266.html

65 + 115 = 180 millions €, today 158,40 millions £...

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #302 on: February 06, 2019, 06:36:21 pm »
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #303 on: February 07, 2019, 11:25:14 pm »
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #304 on: February 08, 2019, 01:11:49 am »
Thanks a lot Deino :)

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #305 on: February 08, 2019, 06:21:00 am »
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #306 on: February 08, 2019, 06:38:09 am »
Thanks !
Last image me like :) Dassault/Airbus Zwilling ? Enough to have our KittyVip to choke…

on the 3d render, new are the grey antennas (?) on the lerx LE.
Also can see these are frames on the canopy now…
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #307 on: February 08, 2019, 09:27:29 am »
Get over it you'll have to show respects to others.

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #308 on: February 08, 2019, 09:48:39 am »
Thanks For your pictures with better definition flateric. For my own the most interesting is the better view of the thrust vectoring part of the engines.

Do you know from where come the two pictures of the NGF/SCAF ?


Otherwise, the Zwilling-SCAF could be something interesting for our Zwilling specialist Tophe ;)
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #310 on: February 08, 2019, 01:20:20 pm »


Interesting picture also with what seems to be blade coolant injected from the tip and a winged seat base (the little yellow aprons at blade base)

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #311 on: February 08, 2019, 01:58:15 pm »
Looks more like wax blades getting ready to get coated before investment casting. 
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #312 on: February 08, 2019, 03:04:44 pm »
Yes, the i think "pipes" at the top are from were the wax gets out of the mold , and latter the material gets in the mold.
I think it's a mold on the left of the pict
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #313 on: February 08, 2019, 04:46:08 pm »
It makes more sense that way  ;D

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #314 on: February 11, 2019, 09:55:46 am »
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An entirely new engine will be developed for SCAF/FCAS by both Safran and MTU. In the framework of this partnership, Safran Aircraft Engines will take the lead in engine design and integration, and MTU will head up engine services. The German company will also be in charge of the low- and high-pressure compressors and the low-pressure turbine, while Safran will be responsible for the combustor, high-pressure turbine, and the afterburner , taking advantage of its experience with the M53 (Mirage 2000) and M88 (Rafale) engines. The existing Aerospace Embedded Solutions joint venture (held 50-50 by Safran and MTU) will be in charge of the engine-control hardware and software under the lead of Safran Aircraft Engines.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2019-02-07/engine-partnership-announced-scaf-fcas-receives-first-contract

Sensible division of workshare, based on the core strengths of both companies as exemplified in the EJ200 and M88. I would have done exactly the same thing, which is not something that can be said about many such projects. Also leaves room for Spain's ITP to reprise their role of designing the nozzle.

Questions about political interference and nationalistic sensitivities remain of course, but I have to say that the actual decisions taken so far (granted, not many) make sense and speak of lessons learned from the Eurofighter/Rafale split. First handing overall lead to France and Dassault, now this - I am cautiously optimistic, care is apparently being taken to place the various responsibilities with the entities best able to take them on. The optimum scenario of course would be an eventual coming together of the Meteor AAM partners (though not necessarily with the same division of shares) for a world-beating, pan-European launch platform to match the world-beating, pan-European missile :)