France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet

[Archibald]

George Walker Bush famously become "Le buisson marcheur de George" that is "George's walking bush" thanks to an extremely stpid autocorrect software (bangs head against a wall)

Are Dassault's engineer's getting too conservative in designing new fighters and sticking to what they already know?

this is a little silly. "If it works, don't change it". Dassault has a long standing tradition like this. It worked pretty well for the company since 1949 and the first Ouragan. In fact all 5000 combat jets they build can be linked to each others, all the way from Ouragan to Rafale, including Mirage, Mystère, and Etendard. By 1956 the SMB-2, Mirage III-01 and Etendard IV-A were the same basic fuselage, only with different wings or air intakes. The rear fuselage with the Atar inside was essentially the same.

So yes, they are conservative, but for good reasons 

[Deltafan]

I got it as a hot tip from a French Journalist on KeyPublishing forum.

Thanks

I searched yesterday on Keypublishing but I did not find anything.

I searched today after your answer and I found the post of halloweene. Do you know from what journal he is ?

[TomcatViP]

So yes, they are conservative, but for good reasons 

Not so much when you have a product life spanning 3 to 4 decades. Initially, that is acceptabłe but after it is no more.

I have specific example in mind if you push me.

Airframe design time will be drastically down. It is of the utmost importance that any design leader should keep that in mind.

 

[litzj]

To me, their design is not pure high-end fighter

they have more focus on stealth, ISR, cruise, commanding of UCAV or other asset

rather than conventional dog-fight or missile-truck BVR missions.

[galgot]

For sure I wouldn't expect them to design a pure high-end fighter only.
All this is dictated by the money you can put in it. France and Germany are not going to finance a specialized F-22 or J-20 class/size fighter, which I even doubt would be very useful if they could.
Suppose they are aiming at a compromise capable of doing multiples things, like Rafale is.
Configuration wise, i'm glad not to see another F-35ish clone like some Chinese, Korean, turkish or japanese projects.
Stealth shaping tend to make them all look the same tho... :/

[mrmalaya]

I certainly wouldn't expect any European/British/Swedish ( yes I know they are all European in one sense) aircraft to look like a LM product.

[Jemiba]

First attempt for a provisional 3-view, clues and corrections welcome.
For those of you, who want to change the drawing by themselves, the
svg-file is attached, too.

[FighterJock]

First attempt for a provisional 3-view, clues and corrections welcome.
For those of you, who want to change the drawing by themselves, the
svg-file is attached, too, just change the suffix .txt to .svg (svg-files aren't
allowed as attachements).

Looking good so far Jemiba,  I notice that you have designed the fighter to have the EOTS as standard.  I take it that all future fighters from the 6th generation will have such a system as standard thus removing the need for anymore external targeting pods.

[litzj]

First attempt for a provisional 3-view, clues and corrections welcome.
For those of you, who want to change the drawing by themselves, the
svg-file is attached, too, just change the suffix .txt to .svg (svg-files aren't
allowed as attachements).

thx for your effort for this drawing

width of body including inlet seems to be too narrow compared to width of lex and nose

[galgot]

Nice Jemiba ! :°
I think the nose edge is a straight line. see.
Also the funny thing , to have less angles difference, that LERX outer edge would logically be paralel to the nose edge...
It's not.

[PaulMM (Overscan)]

I added SVG as a supported format. Preview doesn't look right however, at least on this one.

[Jemiba]

Second attempt:

I think the nose edge is a straight line. see.
Also the funny thing , to have less angles difference, that LERX outer edge would logically be paralel to the nose edge...
It's not.

You're certainly right, changed.
That change additionally widened fuselage and inlets, although only very slightly.

[Flyaway]

https://breakingdefense.com/2018/07/europes-combat-aircraft-conundrum-will-uk-partner-with-france-germany/

[Deltafan]

First attempt for a provisional 3-view

Second attempt:

Thanks a lot Jemiba. You are the best, once more again

[PaulMM (Overscan)]

Thicker lines...