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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2014, 10:45:48 am »
One mighty fine ship. Oh and re the China can build a greater range of ships. Yes they probably can. But let's face it, would you rather have the Ford on your side or whatever the Chinese are coming up with? Think, nearly a hundred years of carrier expertise and practice v well next to nothing?

True, but our problems will be twofold. 

1st any carrier is only as good as the aircraft on it.

2nd, at the rate the current Administration wants to build them, they may becvome unaffordable and our fleet may continue to shrink. 

The rate China will start building carriers will also be a factor.  They probably won't be as good as ours for a while, but a mediocre carrier beats a supercarrier that's not there every time. 

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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2014, 01:30:40 pm »
One mighty fine ship. Oh and re the China can build a greater range of ships. Yes they probably can. But let's face it, would you rather have the Ford on your side or whatever the Chinese are coming up with? Think, nearly a hundred years of carrier expertise and practice v well next to nothing?


Well, in WW2 the Germans' superior tank designs ultimately lost out to the numerical advantage of tanks that the Soviets could muster.


With that analogy in mind even today several Kitty Hawk class carriers might be just as effective as a couple of Ford class carriers.






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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2014, 04:03:17 pm »
In God we trust, all others we monitor. :-p

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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2014, 03:36:46 pm »
"Ford Carriers Sport New Radars To Deflect Threats"
U.S. Navy says it can thwart Chinese ASBM threat
by Michael Fabey

May 29, 2014

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http://aviationweek.com/defense/ford-carriers-sport-new-radars-deflect-threats

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When the next-generation aircraft carrier CVN 78 Gerald R. Ford takes to the seas later this decade, it will face one of the most dangerous threats to the U.S. maritime military behemoth—the Chinese DF-21 anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM).

But U.S. Navy officials remain confident that the technological improvements to the Ford as well as the other ships shielding the carrier from attack should be able to protect the vessel.

The Chinese missile is based on the DF-21 (CSS-5) medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) and gives China the capability to attack large ships—including aircraft carriers—in the western Pacific Ocean, with a range exceeding 1,500 km, or 810 nm.

“The DF-21D is a theater-range ballistic missile equipped with a maneuverable reentry vehicle (Marv) designed to hit moving ships at sea,” the Congressional Research Service (CRS) notes in a recent report.

“Observers have expressed strong concern about the DF‑21D, because such missiles, in combination with broad-area maritime surveillance and targeting systems, would permit China to attack aircraft carriers, other U.S. Navy ships, or ships of allied or partner navies operating in the Western Pacific,” CRS reports.

“The U.S. Navy has not previously faced a threat from highly accurate ballistic missiles capable of hitting moving ships at sea. For this reason, some observers have referred to the DF-21 as a game-changing weapon.”

But zeroing in on a carrier with such a missile is more difficult than it seems, says Rear Adm. Michael Manazir, director of air warfare.
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Eyeing the Ford from the ship’s flight deck, he notes: “People think this is a big target. But they have to get to the carrier and then discern that it is a carrier.”

In addition, the U.S. Navy has a layered network of defensive systems.

“It’s a series of systems,” Manazir explains during a recent exclusive tour of the Ford at the Newport News Shipbuilding yard in the Tidewater part of Virginia. “We want to attack it on the left side of the kill chain.”

Getting to the Ford and its escort ships means also penetrating the carrier strike group, he says. “We use the air defense systems of the cruisers and destroyers to protect the carrier.”

The Ford also has some of its own protection, he points out, including the Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM), a close-in weapons system, as well as the Surface Electronic Warfare Improvement Program (Sewip) and MK 57 NATO Sea Sparrow missile.

The ship also will be sporting the Navy’s new dual-band radar (DBR), another major technology improvement for the Ford-class carrier that should help provide missile defense.

The admiral, though, acknowledges the Navy is reviewing whether it will continue using DBR for carriers after the Ford or use technological advances to develop a radar more appropriate for the ships.

“The DBR was initially designed for the [DDG-1000] Zumwalt [destroyer],” he notes. “The Zumwalt is a combatant.”

The question, he says, is whether the Navy and industry can use some of the scalable technology employed in the DBR to develop another dual-band suite of S- and X-band coverage that will be more suitable for operations aboard a carrier or amphibious ship.

The Navy has to consider all of the radar and defense capability available in a carrier strike group, he says. “What does a carrier strike group bring? What does a carrier bring? We’re really sharpening our pencils over this. We have to look at all of the technology out there.”

Other technological advancements for the Ford-class ships provide the potential for more shields and weaponry.

For example, Manazir notes, the ship will have the kind of electrical power margins to make it possible to incorporate lasers or other energy weapons aboard the vessels.

The Ford’s electric power distribution grid kicks up about 13,800 volts, compared to about 4,160 for Nimitz-class carriers. Of course the ship needs more juice to power its DBR, Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (Emals) and other systems, but the design allows for even greater capacity.

“If you go to a more electric-centric ship, you have to have big electrical potential,” Manazir says. “The Ford was designed with a 60 percent increase in capacity.”

For Nimitz-class ships, he says, any new technological improvements that require more electricity would mean power-supply redesigns to accommodate the upgrades.

“With Ford,” he says, “it’s already designed into the ship.”

 
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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2014, 06:28:53 pm »
Didn't land trials for EMALS also recently finish? Next step is flinging static test loads off the shipboard fitted EMALS at dock in 2015 I believe...

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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2014, 12:52:22 pm »
"Ford Carriers Sport New Radars To Deflect Threats"
U.S. Navy says it can thwart Chinese ASBM threat
by Michael Fabey

May 29, 2014

Source:
http://aviationweek.com/defense/ford-carriers-sport-new-radars-deflect-threats



But zeroing in on a carrier with such a missile is more difficult than it seems, says Rear Adm. Michael Manazir, director of air warfare.
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Eyeing the Ford from the ship’s flight deck, he notes: “People think this is a big target. But they have to get to the carrier and then discern that it is a carrier.”



Even the slightest interruption of the complex kill chain of the DF-21D system will render the missile useless.


And since the DF-21D has still not been tested at sea I wonder how the world and China can place such stock in the capabilities of the weapon?


Call me when the DF-21D is tested.

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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2015, 09:08:43 am »
"Document: Report to Congress on New Ford-Class Carriers"
March 9, 2015 7:00 AM Updated: March 8, 2015 10:59 PM

The following is the March 3, 2015 Congressional Research Service report, Navy Ford (CVN-78) Class Aircraft Carrier Program: Background and Issues for Congress.

http://news.usni.org/2015/03/09/document-report-to-congress-on-new-ford-class-carriers

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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2015, 09:18:53 am »
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/feds-navy-engineer-tried-to-steal-schematics-for-new-carrier-class-1.317674

"Mostafa Ahmed Awwad, 35, a York County, Va., resident who worked at Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Virginia"  I guess selling our new carrier design to China would be one way of sticking it to the infidels.



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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2015, 09:23:16 am »
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/feds-navy-engineer-tried-to-steal-schematics-for-new-carrier-class-1.317674

"Mostafa Ahmed Awwad, 35, a York County, Va., resident who worked at Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Virginia"  I guess selling our new carrier design to China would be one way of sticking it to the infidels.

Did you even read the story?  The bit where the FBI agent who contacted Awwad pretended to work for Egyptian intelligence.   
 
 

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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2015, 10:55:05 am »
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/feds-navy-engineer-tried-to-steal-schematics-for-new-carrier-class-1.317674

"Mostafa Ahmed Awwad, 35, a York County, Va., resident who worked at Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Virginia"  I guess selling our new carrier design to China would be one way of sticking it to the infidels.

Did you even read the story?  The bit where the FBI agent who contacted Awwad pretended to work for Egyptian intelligence.

I think it would be a while before Egypt could ever be in the nuclear carrier business.  You?
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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2015, 11:58:50 am »
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/feds-navy-engineer-tried-to-steal-schematics-for-new-carrier-class-1.317674

"Mostafa Ahmed Awwad, 35, a York County, Va., resident who worked at Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Virginia"  I guess selling our new carrier design to China would be one way of sticking it to the infidels.

Did you even read the story?  The bit where the FBI agent who contacted Awwad pretended to work for Egyptian intelligence.

I think it would be a while before Egypt could ever be in the nuclear carrier business.  You?

Again, the story was pretty clear -- they pretended that they wanted to gain vulnerability data, not the ability to manufacture one.
 
It's not at all clear what triggered the initial investigation, but there's nothing saying he tried to sell construction plans to China.  If he had, the FBI approach would have mirrored that, not run the Egyptian intel angle.

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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2015, 12:09:50 pm »
It definitely was an FBI entrapment operation and Mostafa Ahmed Awwad was greedy and stupid.
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Re: Gerald R. Ford Class CVN
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2015, 01:29:22 pm »
It's not at all clear what triggered the initial investigation, but there's nothing saying he tried to sell construction plans to China.  If he had, the FBI approach would have mirrored that, not run the Egyptian intel angle.

Fair enough.  Pretty in such a hypothetical situation the final customers would still be the same.  (Russia and China.)
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