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Boeing Model Designations
« on: December 09, 2008, 01:34:59 pm »
Hi all,

if anybody had some infos about the Boeing Model-Numbers 500 to 599, 600 to 699 and 800 to 899, PLEASE let me know!!!!!!! ;)

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2008, 11:00:00 pm »
 Hi Maveric!

 Boeing Model 500---599-----------designations of engines.
 Boeing Model 600---699-----------designations of missiles.

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 02:34:21 am »
Hi nugo,

thanks for your quick answer.

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2008, 01:18:16 pm »
Hi Skybolt,

can you post some examples or the complete list :D :-\
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2008, 06:02:11 am »
 Hi Maveric!

Well, here is what is:

Model 500---jet engine
Model 502---T50-BO
Model 520---T60-BO
Model 550---T50-BO

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2009, 12:14:57 am »
  Hi All!

I started these designations(of course those that I was able to intuition) and ask if I add these unknown designation.

  Boeing Model 1----aka the B & W Seaplane
  Boeing Model 2----United States Navy two-place training seaplanes Model C-1..., US Army the EA
  Boeing Model 3----Model 2 version with revised cabane struts 
  Boeing Model 4----aka EA landplane version for US Army
  Boeing Model 5----revised Model 3 for US Navy, Model C-700 - Model 5 outfitted as mailplane
  Boeing Model 6----aka the B-1 was a small biplane flying boat.The design was reminiscent of the     
  Curtiss  HS-2L that Boeing had been building under license during the war
  Boeing Model 7---- biplane flying boat aircraft, utility flying boat, aka BB-1
  Boeing Model 8----biplane aircraft BB-L6, inspired by the Ansaldo Ballila
  Boeing Model 9----?
  Boeing Model 10---US Army GA-1 & GA-2, heavily-armored GAX series (ground attack, experimental), 
  armored triplane
  Boeing Model 11---?
  Boeing Model 12---?
  Boeing Model 13---?
  Boeing Model 14---?
  Boeing Model 15---PW-9, FB-1
  Boeing Model 16---O2B-1, DH-4M-1 - postwar version by Boeing (Model 16) with new fuselage, 
  designated O2B-1 by Navy
  Boeing Model 17---?
  Boeing Model 18---?
  Boeing Model 19---?
  Boeing Model 20---?

  To be continued...
 

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2009, 01:56:42 am »
 Hi All!

Boeing Model 21---VNB-1/NB-1,NB-2,-3,-4
Boeing Model 22---?
Boeing Model 23---?
Boeing Model 24---?
Boeing Model 25---?
Boeing Model 26---?
Boeing Model 27---?
Boeing Model 28---?
Boeing Model 29---?
Boeing Model 30---?
Boeing Model 31---?
Boeing Model 32---?
Boeing Model 33---?
Boeing Model 34---?
Boeing Model 35---?
Boeing Model 36---?
Boeing Model 37---?
Boeing Model 38---?
Boeing Model 39---?
Boeing Model 40---commercial transport
Boeing Model 41---?
Boeing Model 42--- XCO-7...
Boeing Model 43---?
Boeing Model 44---?
Boeing Model 45---?
Boeing Model 46---?
Boeing Model 47---?
Boeing Model 48---?
Boeing Model 49---?
Boeing Model 50---PB-1, version of NAS PN-7
Boeing Model 51---?
Boeing Model 52---?

To be continued...

 

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2009, 11:38:00 am »
  Hi All!

 Boeing Model 53---FB-2
 Boeing Model 54---FB-4,FB-6
 Boeing Model 55---FB-3
 Boeing Model 56---Amphibious Spotter, single engined (proposal)
 Boeing Model 57---PW-9
 Boeing Model 58---XP-4
 Boeing Model 59---?
 Boeing Model 60---?
 Boeing Model 61---?
 Boeing Model 62---?
 Boeing Model 63---TB-1
 Boeing Model 64---US Army and Navy as a primary and gunnery training aircraft.
 Boeing Model 65---?
 Boeing Model 66---XP-8
 Boeing Model 67---FB-5
 Boeing Model 68---AT-3
 Boeing Model 69---X,F2B-1
 Boeing Model 70---?
 Boeing Model 71---?
 Boeing Model 72---?
 Boeing Model 73---?
 Boeing Model 74---XF3B-1
 Boeing Model 75---?
 Boeing Model 76---?
 Boeing Model 77---F3B-1
 Boeing Model 78---?
 Boeing Model 79---?
 Boeing Model 80---airliner
 Boeing Model 81---XN2B-1
 Boeing Model 82---?
 Boeing Model 83---XF4B-1
 Boeing Model 84---?
 Boeing Model 85---?
 Boeing Model 86---?
 Boeing Model 87---?
 Boeing Model 88---?
 Boeing Model 89---XF4B-1
 Boeing Model 90---?

 To be continued...
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2009, 11:07:51 am »
HI,

Boeing Model-73  was transport aircraft,but I have no more details.

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2009, 06:34:09 am »
Boeing Model-73  was transport aircraft,but I have no more details.

Boeing's Model 73 was a small transport project called the Jaybird. It appears in sketch form in one of my Boeing books I think.
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2009, 09:44:46 am »
May I take over from where you left, nugo?

Boeing Model 90 -- ?
Boeing Model 91 -- ?
Boeing Model 92 -- ?
Boeing Model 93 -- USAAC XP-7 was one PW-9D modified with V-1570-1 engine, etc. (28-41 as P-520, c/n 1026)
Boeing Model 94 -- ?
Boeing Model 95 --- (25 examples - c/n 1046/1070)
Boeing Model 95A - one single Model 95 tested by Boeing with Wasp engine
Boeing Model 96 --- USAAC XP-9 pursuit (28-386) (c/n 1045)
Boeing Model 97 --- not built; designation of Model 202 before the all-metal solution was chosen
Boeing Model 98 --- ?
Boeing Model 99 --- Navy F4B-1/A (A8130/8156) (27 built - c/n 1110/1136)
Boeing Model 100 -- civil F4B-1 types with upper wing tank (NS21, N(X)872H/874H - c/n 1142/1145)
Boeing Model 100A Special - a heavily-modified two-seat version for Howard Hughes (NC/X247K - c/n 1094)
Boeing Model 100D - one example sold to Japan as Navy AXB1 and produced as A2N1 by Mitsubishi
Boeing Model 100F - sporting version of P-12F later to P&W for tests (X10696 - c/n 1681)
Boeing Model 101 -- USAAC XP-12A to evaluate design innovations (29-362 - c/n 1109)
Boeing Model 102 -- USAAC P-12 ; like F4B-1 without naval equipment (29-353/361, one as P-544 - c/n 1100/1108)
Boeing Model 102B - USAAC P-12B (29-329/341, 29-433/450, 30-29/87) (90 built - c/n 1170/1259)

NOTES

- One Model 95 was christened HORNET SHUTTLE with inflight-refueling capability
- One Model 99 (A8133 - c/n 1113) modified as unarmed liaison aircraft F4B-1A
- Boeing Model 100A Special was a heavily modified 2-seat version for Howard Hughes
- All constructor's numbers 1-2000 identified except c/n 616, 1034/1035 and 1137


AIRFOIL SECTIONS

There's a giant leap up to Model 200, as the 103-199 designators were reserved for airfoils:

- Boeing Model 103 was used on Models 40A, 40B, 40C, 69
- Boeing Model 103A was used on Models 69, 74, 77
- Boeing Model 106 was used on Models 80A, 83, 89, 99, 100, 101, 102, 200, 221, 226
- Boeing Model 106R was used on various Beriev models
- Boeing Model 106B was used on Model 95, 218, 222, 223, 227, 234, 235, 247D, 251, 256, 267
- Boeing Model 109 was used on Model 95, 248, 266, 281
- Boeing Model 117 was used on Models 307, 344, 345, 367, 377; Aero Spacelines 201 Guppy, Mini Guppy,
Pregnant Guppy, Super Guppy; also used on Tupolev Tu-4, Tu-70, Tu-75, Tu-80, Tu-85


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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2009, 06:18:24 pm »
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2009, 06:57:32 pm »
Continued:

Boeing Model 200 -- MONOMAIL single-seat high-performance mailplane (X/NC725W - c/n 1153)
Boeing Model 201 -- ?
Boeing Model 202 -- USAAC XP-15 single-seat parasol-wing monoplane fighter (X270V - c/n 1151)
Boeing Model 203 -- 2/3-seat primary trainer for Boeing School with Axelson engine (NC587K, NC977H/979H - c/n 1138/1141)
Boeing Model 203A - Model 203s re-engined with Wright (same as above) + two new (NC12748,NC13392 - c/n 1940,1986)
Boeing Model 203B - last two 203As (plus one of the others) re-engined
Boeing Model 204/A -- COURIER, a development of early B-1 (Model 6) flying-boat type
Boeing Model 204L -- last development of B-1 (Model 6) with extra passenger (N(C)874E/878E - c/n 1075)
Boeing Model C-204 -- THUNDERBIRD ; Canadian-built B-1E flying-boats (4 built - C-FALA/-FALD - c/n 1076 to 1080)
Boeing Model 204-A - special version for Bill Boeing with dual controls; converted to mailplane (c/n unknown)
Boeing Model 205 -- US Navy XF5B-1 single-seat parasol-wing monoplane fighter (X271V > A8640 - c/n 1152)
Boeing Model 206 -- ?
Boeing Model 207 -- ?
Boeing Model 208 -- 5-seat Navy flying-boat project to use wings of Model 80 trimotor
Boeing Model 209 -- US Navy XP2B-1 patrol ; cancelled
Boeing Model 210 -- ?
Boeing Model 211 -- no details ; mentioned in Richard K. Smith Archives
Boeing Model 212 -- ?
Boeing Model A-213 - TOTEM ; Canadian four-seat monoplane flying-boat (CF-ARF - c/n 10?)
Boeing Model 214 -- USAAC Y1B-9 bomber (32-302 - c/n 1458)
Boeing Model 215 -- USAAC XB-901 > B-9 bomber (X/NX/NC10633 > 32-301 - c/n 1459)
Boeing Model 216 -- no details ; mentioned in Richard K. Smith Archives
Boeing Model 217 -- ?
Boeing Model 218 -- prototype fighter with R-1340D engine evaluated as XP-925; re-engined with R-1340E as XP-925A and sold to China (X66W - c/n 1260)
Boeing Model 219 -- ?
Boeing Model 220 -- ?
Boeing Model 221 -- MONOMAIL ; similar to Model 200 with lengthened fuselage for 6 + mail; tested as C-18 (X10225 - c/n 1154)
Boeing Model 221A - MONOMAIL ; ex-models 200 and 221 lengthened for United (8 passengers) (NC725W, NC10225)
Boeing Model 222 -- USAAC P-12C fighter (95 built - 31-147/242 - c/n 1262/1344,1346/1358)
Boeing Model 223 -- US Navy F4B-2 ; restressed Model 222 with bombs; later refitted with F4B-4 tail (46 built - A8613/8639, A8791/8809 - c/n 1392/1418, 1439/1457)
Boeing Model 224 -- pre-P-26 monoplane fighter project
Boeing Model 225 -- pre-P-26 monoplane fighter project; appears in Sara Clark collection at US National Archives
Boeing Model 226 -- eleventh Model 80B-1 as luxury 10-seat exec transport for Standard Oil Co. (NC234M - c/n 1092)
Boeing Model 227 -- USAAC P-12D fighter, like P-12C with high-compression engine (35 built; 31-243/244, 1359/1391 - c/n 1261,1345,1359/1391)
Boeing Model 228 -- ?
Boeing Model 229 -- ?
Boeing Model 230 -- ?
Boeing Model 231 -- ?
Boeing Model 232 -- ?
Boeing Model 233 -- ?
Boeing Model 234 -- USAAC P-12E, with supercharged SR-1340E engine (110 built)
Boeing Model 235 -- US Navy F4B-3 (production version of Model 218) (21 built)
Boeing Model 235 -- US Navy F4B-4 (strengthened wings, new tail) (92 built)
Boeing Model 236 -- US Navy XF6B-1 > XBFB-1, Boeing's last new biplane design (A8975 - c/n 1616)
Boeing Model 237 -- ?
Boeing Model 238 -- 12-passenger high-wing commercial monoplane project with Hornet engine
Boeing Model 239 -- design associated to Model 238, project only
Boeing Model 240 -- ?
Boeing Model 241 -- ?
Boeing Model 242 -- 4-engine transport proposal
Boeing Model 243 -- no details ; appears in Richard K. Smith Archives
Boeing Model 244 -- ?
Boeing Model 245 -- second pre-P-26 monoplane fighter design
Boeing Model 246 -- USAAC Y1B-9A, with structural changes and Y1G1R-1860B radials (32-303/307 - c/n 1671/1675)
Boeing Model 247 -- 10-passenger commercial airliner (61 built)
Boeing Model 247A - executive transport variant with Twin Wasp Jr. engines (P&W test-bed) (NC 13300 - c/n 1711)
Boeing Model 247D - upgraded version with new windscreen, etc. (+ retrofits) (13 new - c/n 1946/1958)
Boeing Model 247E - one United Airlines 247 loaned to develop Model 247D features
Boeing Model 247Y - one 247D modified and armed for Chinese Marshall C. H. Liang
Boeing Model 248 -- USAAC XP-936 > XP-26 > Y1P-26 and P-26 low-wing pursuit prototypes (32-412/414 - c/n 1678/1680)
Boeing Model 249 -- ?
Boeing Model 250 -- ?


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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 06:11:19 am »
Boeing Model 251 -- USAAC P-12F : last P-12E batch with SR-1340F engine and tailwheel (25 built)
Boeing Model 252 -- ?
Boeing Model 253 -- ?
Boeing Model 254 -- ?
Boeing Model 255 -- ?
Boeing Model 256 -- "BOEING 1932" pursuit, an export Model 235/F4B-4 for Brazil (14 built)
Boeing Model 257 -- ?
Boeing Model 258 -- ? [identification proved wrong -- a typo for Model 238]
Boeing Model 259 -- ?
Boeing Model 260 -- ?
Boeing Model 261 -- US Navy F4B-5 (cancelled)
Boeing Model 262 -- ?
Boeing Model 263 -- ?
Boeing Model 264 -- USAAC YP-29/A, XP-940 > XP-29, and YP-29B pursuit prototypes (34-23/25 - c/n 1941/1943)
Boeing Model 265 -- ?
Boeing Model 266 -- USAAC P-26A/C "PEASHOOTER", production version of Model 248 (136 built, including 266A)
Boeing Model 266A -- USAAC P-26B "PEASHOOTER"
Boeing Model 267 -- export Model 235/F4B-3 for Brazil with P-12E wings (9 built - c/n 1794/1802)
Boeing Model 268 -- ?
Boeing Model 269 -- ?
Boeing Model 270 -- ?
Boeing Model 271 -- ?
Boeing Model 272 -- prototype derived from P-26 with 550 hp P&W SR-1340 engine (c/n unknown)
Boeing Model 273 -- US Navy XF7B-1 single-seat monoplane fighter with R-1340-80 engine (BuAer 9378 - c/n 1803)
Boeing Model 274 -- mailplane, no detail
Boeing Model 275 -- ?
Boeing Model 276 -- USAAC B-9B (cancelled)
Boeing Model 277 -- ?
Boeing Model 278 -- USAAC XP-32 fighter project
Boeing Model 278A - USAAC YP-32 fighter project
Boeing Model 279 -- ?
Boeing Model 280 -- upgraded Model 247 proposal, 12 to 14 passengers, 2 P&W Hornet (700 hp to each)
Boeing Model 281 -- export P-26A for China (11) and Spain (1) with wing flaps (12 built - c/n 1959/1962)
Boeing Model 282 -- ?
Boeing Model 283 -- ?
Boeing Model 284 -- ?
Boeing Model 285 -- USAAC proposal for P-34
Boeing Model 286 -- ?
Boeing Model 287 -- ?
Boeing Model 288 -- ?
Boeing Model 289 -- ?
Boeing Model 290 -- no details ; appears in Richard K. Smith Archives
Boeing Model 291 -- ?
Boeing Model 292 -- ?
Boeing Model 293 -- ?
Boeing Model 294 -- USAAF XBLR-1 > XB-15 all-metal monoplane bomber ; later to XC-105 (35-277 - c/n 1964)
Boeing Model 295 -- Boeing designation for USAAC YPT-9B CLOUDBOY (Stearman)
Boeing Model 296 -- ?
Boeing Model 297 -- USAAC P-29 production variant (cancelled)
Boeing Model 298 -- project ; no detail
Boeing Model 299X -- prototype of the B-17 series, never purchased by USAAC
Boeing Model 299B -- USAAC Y1B-17 FLYING FORTRESS
Boeing Model 299E -- désignation initiale du B-17B avant modification du cahier des charges de l'USAAC
Boeing Model 299F -- USAAC Y1B-17A FLYING FORTRESS
Boeing Model 299H -- USAAF B-17C FLYING FORTRESS and Royal Air Force FORTRESS I
Boeing Model 299J -- projected tricycle version of B-17
Boeing Model 299M -- USAAF B-17B FLYING FORTRESS
Boeing Model 299O -- USAAF B-17E FLYING FORTRESS
Boeing Model 299P -- USAAF B-17G FLYING FORTRESS
Boeing Model 299Z -- two B-17Gs converted as JB-17G flying test-beds for R-3350 turboprops
Boeing Model 299AB -- B-17G conversion as TWA VIP transport




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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 01:34:50 am »
Continued :

Boeing Model 300 -- original paper designation of STRATOLINER
Boeing Model 301 -- ?
Boeing Model 302 -- no details ; appears in Richard K. Smith archives
Boeing Model 303 -- ?
Boeing Model 304 -- ?
Boeing Model 305 -- ?
Boeing Model 306A -- flying-wing bomber project
Boeing Model 306C -- tailless pursuit variant
Boeing Model 307 -- STRATOLINER 4-engine liner
Boeing Model S-307 -- STRATOLINER for Pan American Airlines
Boeing Model SA-307B -- STRATOLINER for TWA ; five impressed as USAAF C-75
Boeing Model SA-307B1 -- rebuilt C-75 for TWA with B-17 elements, etc.
Boeing Model SB-307B -- STRATOLINER special version for Howard Hughes
Boeing Model 308 -- ?
Boeing Model 309 -- ?
Boeing Model 310 -- ?
Boeing Model 311 -- ?
Boeing Model 312 -- ?
Boeing Model 313 -- ?
Boeing Model 314 -- CLIPPER four-engine transatlantic liner ; one became USAAF XC-98
Boeing Model 314A -- CLIPPER refined version with new engines ; 3 to BOAC, 3 as C-98
Boeing Model B-314 -- five former Pan American and USAAF CLIPPERs used by US Navy as utility
Boeing Model 315 -- ?
Boeing Model 316/D -- USAAF (Y1)B-20 bomber project with R-3350 engines
Boeing Model 317 -- ?
Boeing Model 318 -- ?
Boeing Model 319 -- ?
Boeing Model 320 -- six-engine twin-hull patrol flying-boat project
Boeing Model 321 -- ?
Boeing Model 322 -- pressurized tricycle B-17 project
Boeing Model 323 -- no details ; appears in Richard K. Smith archives
Boeing Model 324 -- ?
Boeing Model 325 -- ?
Boeing Model 326 -- transatlantic giant flying boat project to Lindbergh specification
Boeing Model 326A -- lighter version of above ; project only
Boeing Model 327 -- no details ; appears in Richard K. Smith archives
Boeing Model 328 -- ?
Boeing Model 329 -- USAAF XA-21 light bomber prototype — Boeing designation of the Stearman X100
Boeing Model 330 -- four-engine bomber project
Boeing Model 331 -- ?
Boeing Model 332 -- ?
Boeing Model 333 -- pre-B-29 bomber project with two pairs of water-cooled V-1710 engines
Boeing Model 333A -- same as above with four Pratt & Whitney engines
Boeing Model 333B -- same as above with four Wright engines
Boeing Model 334 -- projected pressurized tricycle B-17
Boeing Model 334A -- same as above ; full-scale mock-up only
Boeing Model 335 -- ?
Boeing Model 336 -- ?
Boeing Model 337 -- pre-PBB project similar to Blohm & Voss Ha.138
Boeing Model 338 -- ?
Boeing Model 339 -- ?
Boeing Model 340 -- ?
Boeing Model 341 -- pre-B-29 project, an improved Model 334A with R-2800 engines
Boeing Model 342 -- ?
Boeing Model 343 -- twin-engined torpedo bomber study
Boeing Model 344 -- US Navy XPBB-1 SEA RANGER patrol flying-boat
Boeing Model 345 -- USAAF B-29 SUPER FORTRESS long-range bomber
Boeing Model 345-2 -- USAAF B-50 SUPER FORTRESS long-range bomber
Boeing Model 346 -- ?
Boeing Model 347 -- ?
Boeing Model 348 -- ?
Boeing Model 349 -- ?
Boeing Model 350 -- ?

Till next time!
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2009, 10:40:09 am »
Hi,

91  was single seat low wing fixed landing gear basic trainer aircraft,no more details.
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2009, 10:45:48 am »
91  was single seat low wing fixed landing gear basic trainer aircraft,no more details.

I think the "91" designation is a mistake. Not only the phrase "basic trainer" was not used until the latter half of the 1930s, but at the time of the Model 90s series, there were no low-wing trainers at Boeing yet!

There was, however, a Stearman (later Boeing-Wichita) Model X-90 modified as X-91 and it was exactly what you described!
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2009, 10:52:19 am »
Hi,

238 was three engined shoulder high wing  transport monoplane project.
239 was three engined biplane transport project.
243  was twin engined shoulder high wing monoplane.
298 twin engined high wing monoplane bomber project,no more details.
274  was mailplane, but there is no more details.
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2009, 05:02:19 am »
Continued:

Model 351 -- ?
Model 352 -- ?
Model 353 -- ?
Model 354 -- ?
Model 355 -- ?
Model 356 -- ?
Model 357 -- ?
Model 358 -- ?
Model 359 -- ?
Model 360 -- ?
Model 361 -- ?
Model 362 -- ?
Model 363 -- ?
Model 364 -- ?
Model 365 -- ?
Model 366 -- ?

Model 367 -- USAF C-97 STRATOFREIGHTER transport
Model 368 -- advanced WWII fighter designs with very unconventional geometries
Model 369 -- ?
Model 370 -- ?
Model 371 -- ?
Model 372 -- ?
Model 373 -- ?

Model 374 -- similar specification as the Grumman F7F, 2 x Wright R-1820 engine
Model 375 -- ?
Model 376 -- ?

Model 377 -- STRATOCRUISER airliner derived from Model 367
Model 378 -- ?
Model 379 -- ?
Model 380 -- ?

Model 381 -- proposal for pre-XB-36 competition
Model 382 -- ?
Model 383 -- ?

Model 384 -- four-engined long-range bomber project derived from B-29
Model 385 -- six-engined long-range bomber project
Model 386 -- six-engined bomber
Model 387 -- ?
Model 388 -- ?
Model 389 -- ?

Model 390 -- fighter project, competitor of Vought F5U
Model 391 -- fighter project, competitor of Vought F5U
Model 392 -- ?
Model 393 -- ?
Model 394 -- ?
Model 395 -- ?

Model 396 -- fighter project, competitor of Vought F5U
Model 397 -- ?
Model 398 -- ?

Model 399 -- ?


Of course I have omitted most of the sub-model numbers on the bombers, only the basic model numbers are featured.

I am sure there are plenty more that some of you could add, so please post about it so that this thread can live on!
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2009, 10:22:08 am »
Hi,

386  six-engined bomber
399 was single seat pancake wing tailless fighter project
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2009, 06:02:11 pm »
386  six-engined bomber
399 was single seat pancake wing tailless fighter project

What you're describing corresponds to Model 390 too, so this adds to the idea that Model 399 was related to 390/391/396. We'd need diagrams of all three now for confirmation that "399" is not a typo of some sort. Model 390 looked like this (picture attached).

Model 400 -- US Navy XF8B-1 monoplane fighter (1944-45)
Model 401 -- two-seater helicopter project (1943)
Model 402 -- ?
Model 403 -- ?

Model 404 -- six-engined pusher flying wing bomber
Model 405 -- ?
Model 406 -- ?
Model 407 -- ?
Model 408 -- ?
Model 409 -- ?
Model 410 -- ?
Model 411 -- ?
Model 412 -- ?
Model 413 -- ?
Model 414 -- ?
Model 415 -- ?
Model 416 -- ?

Model 417 -- 417-42: high-wing transport project with 2 x 1070 hp Wright 744-4BA-1 (1946)
Model 418 -- ?
Model 419 -- ?
Model 420 -- ?
Model 421 -- ?
Model 422 -- ?
Model 423 -- ?

Model 424 -- pre-B-47 project: a B-29 with two turbojets in nacelles placed above (1943-44)
Model 425 -- ?
Model 426 -- ?
Model 427 -- ?
Model 428 -- ?
Model 429 -- ?
Model 430 -- ?

Model 431 -- 431-16: high-wg.transport project, 2 x 2100 hp P&W Db. Wasp; 431-17: w/1200 hp Wright Cyclone
Model 432 -- pre-B-47 light bomber project: 4 jets in fuselage, engines on top of aft fuselage (1944)
Model 433 -- ?
Model 434 -- ?
Model 435 -- ?
Model 436 -- ?
Model 437 -- ?
Model 438 -- ?
Model 439 -- ?
Model 440 -- ?
Model 441 -- ?
Model 442 -- ?
Model 443 -- ?
Model 444 -- ?
Model 445 -- ?
Model 446 -- ?
Model 447 -- ?

Model 448 -- initial B-47 project: swept-wing, 6 jets in fuselage (1945)
Model 449 -- jet interceptor project
Model 450 -- USAF B-47 STRATOJET bomber

(to be continued)
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2009, 10:19:22 am »
Hi,

404  six-engined pusher flying wing bomber
481  bomber developed from B-52
484  jet bomber
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2009, 12:32:36 pm »
Thanks a lot! I've added these to the list.

Model 451 -- USAF YL-15 SCOUT experimental folding wing utility plane
Model 452 -- USAF B-47 STRATOJET bomber variants
Model 453 -- ?
Model 454 -- US Navy jet fighter project
Model 455 -- US Navy night fighter project
Model 456 -- ?
Model 457 -- interceptor fighter ramjet project
Model 458 -- competitor of the XP-92, project
Model 459 -- US Navy fighter project
Model 460 -- ?
Model 461 -- design involved in B-52 competition
Model 462 -- bomber project with propeller-driven engines, winner of B-52 design competition
Model 463 -- ?
Model 464 -- USAF B-52 STRATOFORTRESS and all preliminary designs
Model 465 -- ?
Model 466 -- US Navy XP3B-1 land-based long-range patrol (1947)
Model 467 -- ?
Model 468 -- ?
Model 469 -- ?
Model 470 -- ?
Model 471 -- ?
Model 472 -- ?

Model 473 -- pre-707 projects derived from B-47 and B-52
Model 474 -- first B-55 bomber project for USAF with 4 x Allison T40A-2 engines (1948-49)
Model 475 -- ?
Model 476 -- ?
Model 477 -- ?
Model 478 -- ?

Model 479 -- second B-55 project for USAF
Model 480 -- ?
Model 481 -- bomber developed from B-52
Model 482 -- USN "penetration" fighter (OS-112)
Model 483 -- big jet bomber
Model 484 -- jet bomber
Model 485 -- no details
Model 486 -- only seaplane fighter designed by Boeing and their last flying-boat
Model 487 -- ?
Model 488 -- ?
Model 489 -- ?

Model 490 -- ASW project competing with S2F: same wing and empennage as XF8B-1, 4 crew, R-2800 engines
Model 491 -- ?
Model 492 -- ?
Model 493 -- ?
Model 494 -- ?

Model 495 -- USAF transport project competing with Lockheed's C-130
Model 496 -- ?
Model 497 -- ?
Model 498 -- ?
Model 499 -- ?
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2009, 12:35:22 am »

  Hi All!
 
 Model 225---pre-P-26 monoplane fighter project
 Model 258---3-engine transport proposal, high-wing
 Model 276---Brazilian F4B-3
 Model 374---similar specification of the Grumman F7F, 2 x Wright R-1820 engine
 Model 381---pre-XB-36 competition
 Model 458---competitor of the XP-92
 Model 482---USN "penetration" fighter, OS-112
 Model 483---big jet bomber
 

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2009, 02:14:41 am »
Great additions, nugo, thanks!

To be on the safe side, I prefered not to add your "Model 276" to the list as the Brazilian F4B-3s were designated Model 256 and Model 267. As these airframes are pretty well documented, I assume this "276" results from a typo somewhere, unless of course you can provide us with a reliable source that clearly documents the existence of both models.

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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2009, 03:34:32 am »
 
  Hi else Stargazer2006!

 Yes you are right!
 I just do not think about the typos.
 I am from this book ( "The story of the Boeing Company", by Bill Yenne, page: 17 ) has the information
 and there, as the species, the typo (or a error), (Model 276 should be Model 267).
 I also found here; my mistake:
 Model 258---3-engine transport proposal, high-wing
 Model 258 should be Model 238---All-metal passenger transport (Three P.& W. Hornet engines(550 hp))
 Source: Boeing Aircraft Since 1916 (Publication Year-1989), by Peter M. Bowers, page: 563 and Index I
 Boeing Aircraft by Model number (... 238, 563 (page)
 
 and there is an error (Boeing Model 258--3-engine transport proposal, high-wing, should be Model 238)

 Model 208---5-seat Navy flying-boat in 1929 to use wings of the Model 80 trimotor transport (Two
 P. & W. Hornet engines (525 hp)
 Model 330---4-engine bomber
 (Source: http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/b29.htm)
 

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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2009, 05:44:39 am »
Mistakes can happen, and do happen. Don't worry.
As an aircraft designation maniac since the tender age of 6, I have always strived to cross-compare and verify my designations because I was taught early on that even good books can have typos... and even authors can make mistakes...

So now that we know 276 is indeed 267 and 258 is in fact 238, we are left with your newest addition : Model 208. Great ! I'm just wary of one thing: I have a Model 209 in my list which was meant to be the Navy's projected XP2B-1 patrol boat. Could it be the same project, and therefore yet another typo? Or two distinct projects for the same proposal?

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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2009, 10:49:36 am »
Boeing's Model 73 was a small transport project called the Jaybird. It appears in sketch form in one of my Boeing books I think.

Finally, a picture of the Jaybird (from the Putnam book):


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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2009, 11:17:25 am »
Model 208. Great ! I'm just wary of one thing: I have a Model 209 in my list which was meant to be the Navy's projected XP2B-1 patrol boat. Could it be the same project, and therefore yet another typo? Or two distinct projects for the same proposal?
Allow me to answer my own question... The Putnam book presents a three-view plan of the Model 208, which is indeed a distinct project:


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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2009, 12:59:08 pm »
I've just upgraded the list above with the various additions I found, mostly by exploring this forum...

Nugo's initial post mentions the Model 57 as another PW-9 variant. Any information on that one, or is it a typo? Thanks for your help.
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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2009, 02:25:33 am »
Some Model numbers in the 500-900 range that I have...

Great stuff!
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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2009, 11:56:11 am »
Thanks to you all for the updates.

Those models from the forum that I failed to list did NOT appear in my searches. In most cases the model numbers do not appear in the thread's title or even in the text of the posts, just in the enclosed pictures!
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« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2009, 10:54:02 pm »
 
  Model 280---proposal, upgraded the Model 247, 12 to 14 passengers, 2 P&W Hornet (700 hp to each)

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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2009, 11:20:14 pm »
Hmm...what about an idea to ask BCA guys (girls, in fact)? I'd do something like this, at least they exactly know who knows.
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« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2009, 05:55:03 am »
 
  Model 280---proposal, upgraded the Model 247, 12 to 14 passengers, 2 P&W Hornet (700 hp to each)

Great info, thanks! Do you have a source for this?

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« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2009, 06:37:41 am »
I've been reorganizing my Boeing data over the past couple of days and managed to find a few more designations for the list.

Here is what I have in the 500+ range. I've only featured the basic designation, not the subtypes. Of course any correction and addition is most welcome:

Some Model numbers in the 500-1000 range that I have...

502   T50-BO gas turbine engine (502-2); turbo-compressor/free turbine (502-10)
520   T60-BO free turbine
540   gas turbine engine (turboprop)
550   T50-BO gas turbine engine
551   gas turbine engine (turboprop)
553   gas turbine engine (turboprop)


600   GAPA (MX-606) Ground-to-Air Pilotless Aircraft program (basis for BOMARC)
601   GAPA (MX-606) Ground-to-Air Pilotless Aircraft program (basis for BOMARC)
602   GAPA (MX-606) Ground-to-Air Pilotless Aircraft program (basis for BOMARC)
621   XF/XIM-99 BOMARC interceptor missile (1952)
624   IM-99A > M-10 BOMARC interceptor missile
631   IM-99B > M-10 BOMARC interceptor missile
641   AGM-86B (ALCM) cruise missile

[Series 700, 800 and 900 designations removed from topic and now listed in separate topics]

1026   HOC hydrofoil
1041   VTOL designs
1044   CSA Air-Launched Strategic Missile (ALSM) platform (1044-019)
1046   Long Range Transport
1047   final evolution of DYNA-SOAR
1050   no details
1074   hypersonic interceptor
1076   SENSORCRAFT
1080   High Speed Commercial Transport (HSCT) proposal to NASA RFP specification (1991) (-834)

NON-SEQUENTIAL:
1202/1205   possibly allocated to spacecraft project
2000   stealth fan-in-wing deltoid concept
2018   NGB with Lockheed
2020   "Klingon Cruiser" C-wing
2707   SST
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2010, 08:56:51 am »
Hi,

the Model-1878 was parasol wing 4.5 Mach fighter.

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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2010, 12:47:12 am »
   Hi All!

 Model 497---XC-Heavy Transport and Parasite/Missile carrier aircraft, AMC RFP.
 Model 498---feederliner projects...(Model 498-4 with two R-R Darts or two Allison T-38s.  (Source  "allison model | boeing airplane | 1950 | 2045 | Flight Archive")

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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2011, 07:30:06 pm »
Hi all

Several projects from 'Boeing. The Complete Story' ISBN 978 1 84425 703 4

model 72   Passenger transport (1927). 1*Wright Whirlwind
model 257   Interceptor (1945?). 2*strato-jet engines
model 708   Supersonic bomber (1953). 5-seat. Four engined
model 815   Tactical transport for US Army (1958). 4*Rolls-Royce R.Da.7
model 820   Heavy transport for USAF (1958). 4*jet

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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2011, 10:17:46 pm »
  Hi all!

 Hi AM, in this book have drawings and picture following proposals?

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  Model 72   Passenger transport.
  Model 257   Interceptor (1945?). (could be Modewl 457)
  Model 708   Supersonic bomber.
  Model 815   Tactical transport for US Army.
  Model 820   Heavy transport for USAF.
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« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2011, 12:35:03 am »
Sorry

This information contains only in the Appendix No.1 (in the list Boeings models)

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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2011, 05:44:46 pm »
Thanks AM for this update. However, the "Model 257" is a typo. Boeing model numbers were chronological at the time, and this number goes back to the 1932-33 period. It could not be "527" either, since the 500-series was reserved for engines.

So, as nugo rightly remarked, it could definitely be Model 457, described elsewhere as a ramjet-powered interceptor fighter project. The date is also perfectly compatible.

As for Model 820, it was a planned transport version of the B-52 bomber.


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« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2011, 02:37:30 am »
   Hi All!

 Boeing Model 422---bomber, stright wing, 4 turboprop engine
 Boeing Model 425---bomber, stright wing, 4 jet engine
 Boeing Model 426---bomber, stright wing, 4 turboprop engine
 Boeing Model 446---bomber, swept wing, 4 jet engine

 All predecessors of B-47

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« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2011, 06:47:17 am »
   Hi All!

 Boeing Model 422---bomber, stright wing, 4 turboprop engine
 Boeing Model 425---bomber, stright wing, 4 jet engine
 Boeing Model 426---bomber, stright wing, 4 turboprop engine
 Boeing Model 446---bomber, swept wing, 4 jet engine

 All predecessors of B-47

Source?

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« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2011, 09:40:44 pm »
  Hi  Stargazer2006!

 Source:
 "Flying Blind: the politics of the U.S. strategic bomber program" by Michael Edward Brown.
 (Cornel University Press, 1992)

 page 75,76,86,87...

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« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2011, 09:55:50 pm »
 And..
 
 American Secret Projects: Bombers, Attack and Anti-Submarine Aircraft 1945 to 1974.
 (American Bomber Projects Summery: page 212---Model 413,424,425,426,432,444 (maybe 446),448...)

 "Boeing: The Complete Story" by Alain Pelletier
  page 111---Model 446
 
 google books:
 "Flying Blind: the politics of the U.S. strategic bomber program" by Michael Edward Brown.
 (Cornell University Press, 1992)
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« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2011, 03:53:50 am »
Here is a whole set of previously unknown designations, which come from a document photocopied by fellow forum member Clioman on a visit to Boeing's archives in 1991 (more to follow in this topic, and also the related 700, 800 and 900 series topics). I've added a few that were collected elsewhere on this forum but hadn't been previously added to this thread.

Model 261 --- cancelled F4B-5 for U.S. Navy
Model 276 --- cancelled B-9B for U.S.A.A.C.
Model 285 --- cancelled P-34 (why this used the same number as a Wedell-Williams project, I couldn't say)
Model 297 --- cancelled P-29 production for U.S.A.A.C.

Model 484 --- third B-55 project (later sub-projects apparently applied to early B-59 studies)
Model 485 --- fourth B-55 project
Model 495 --- transport project for USAF competing with the Lockheed Hercules
Model 498 --- feederliner projects
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« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2011, 08:35:09 am »
And correction:
  Model 909---not LWF fighter,
  Model 909---Twin turbopropeller driven executive light transport (Book: Roskam's Airplane War  Stories, by Jan Roskam, page 89 and Fig.97)

Thanks. This is one I always had trouble with. Apparently there is a "908-909" design for the LWF competition, and I figured it meant two separate studies, while in fact it was probably the "dash 909" variant of Model 908. The one you're giving as Model 909, though, is completely new to me. Any approximate date?

  Model 1047---not final evolution of DYNA-SOAR---AKA Model 814-1047-1 Dyna Soar proposal

Thanks for clearing another mistake of mine. I will update my posts accordingly.
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« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2011, 06:27:00 am »
Current state of where we are Model numbers 200-299. If anyone can add to this (or correct, if need be), please do!

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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2011, 03:11:19 am »
Hi all!
 
Model 306 -four-engined ten-seat heavy bomber (1935)
Model 306A -four-engined 28-seat airliner/transport aircraft
Model 306B -single-engined single-seat fighter (1935)
Model 306C -twin-engined fighter (1935)
 
all has flying wing configurations
 
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« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2011, 03:28:21 am »
Hi,

Anybody with the Boeing model numbers for the X-45 UCAV family? Or did those still receive McDonnell-Douglas designations?

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« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2012, 01:29:18 pm »
Boeing Model 12 (BA-12)
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« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2012, 05:24:26 pm »
Boeing Model 12 (BA-12)

Any source for this?? I've got quite a few books and resources on Boeing but never saw this "BA-12" project!

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« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2012, 02:29:57 pm »
From "American Secret Projects: Bombers" Page 12

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The starting point for Boeing's jet bomber studies was the Model 413 from the autumn of 1943, which would have been a response to the initial request for studies made in June of that year

That's the B-47 oldest ancestor...anybody has a picture of this design?

Thanks in advance,

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« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2012, 09:40:21 am »
In order to provide a more precise listing of Boeing models without turning this topic into a 40-page monster, I've elected to create individual topics for the 700-, 800- and 900- series as follows:
Lists will be updated in each of these topics within the next few days.
Please think of using these topics now for model designations between 700 and 999.
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« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2012, 09:41:41 am »
From "Aero France", May issue 1956. Not very clear, sorry, but maybe nevertheless interesting for
one or another. The B-52 is about 5 cm long on the original page.
Who's interested in the full res phot (3900 x 2700 pixels, 2.2 MB), just drop a PM.

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« Reply #56 on: November 23, 2012, 09:46:00 am »
What a fantastic document, Jens! I so wish it could have been scanned in a higher resolution...

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« Reply #57 on: November 23, 2012, 11:01:50 am »
It's on the way to you (your mailadress) in the original resolution of the photo.
Using a copy machine is forbidden for older books and volumes, as it may copy
the spine. I was quite glad, that in those volumes no pages or pictures were cut out !  ::)
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« Reply #58 on: November 23, 2012, 11:09:53 am »
It's on the way to you (your mailadress) in the original resolution of the photo.
Using a copy machine is forbidden for older books and volumes, as it may copy
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« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2013, 06:45:05 pm »
Hi all!
 
Model 364 - flying boat patrol bomber
Model 376 - ???
Model 387 - ???
Model 394 - ???
Model 398 - ???
Model 441 - single engine trainer
Model 442-1 - VSN-Class aircraft
 
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« Reply #60 on: December 25, 2013, 05:31:16 am »
Thank you AM,


and Model-364 was developed from XPBB-1 flying boat.

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Hi,


the Boeing Model-332 was a four engined mid-wing tail-dragger design,with notable
B-17 features such as the original XB-17 tail assemble and gun blister,who can imagine
what was this project ?.


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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #63 on: January 01, 2014, 08:17:41 am »
'Model 119' missing from this thread?:


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9858.0


Hi Mr. London,


but this was related to McDonnell,not Boeing.

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #64 on: January 01, 2014, 08:31:51 am »
'Model 119' missing from this thread?:
but this was related to McDonnell,not Boeing.

Not to mention there must have been a good 30 years between Boeing's 100 series and McDonnell's Model 119!

"119" couldn't have been an aircraft, anyway. Boeing's 103-199 were reserved (not all used) for airfoils.

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #65 on: January 01, 2014, 11:14:01 am »
(Sole) McDonnell 119 was in storage at the time of the Job Ad...

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #66 on: January 01, 2014, 07:01:29 pm »
Boeing Model 1050 (C-X)

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2014, 05:10:18 pm »
According to Flight in their October 20, 1949 issue, Boeing was studying a mixed passenger/cargo variant of the Stratofreighter/Stratocruiser which was called the Stratocoach. Funny how Flight themselves prefer to call it a "Stratobanc" in the cutaway drawing!!!

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #68 on: March 01, 2014, 04:49:42 pm »
For your research: an early Boeing models listing.

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #69 on: March 01, 2014, 04:50:51 pm »
And, the last two pages.

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« Reply #70 on: March 01, 2014, 05:03:31 pm »
I am speechless... This is a first for me and I believe for many aviation enthusiasts... I have quite a few books and resources on Boeing but never did they produce such a complete list! I cannot thank you enough for digging up that treasure, aim9xray!

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« Reply #71 on: March 01, 2014, 07:11:18 pm »
Here is the same document in a cleaned up version for easier reference. Thanks again aim9xray for contributing this invaluable piece of aviation history!

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #72 on: March 02, 2014, 12:07:35 am »
Good morning aim9xray !!!!
This is absolut fantastic, a day like Christmas.... THANKS for the gift :-* :-* :-*
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« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2014, 04:03:19 am »
Excellent Aim9xray,


very interesting stuff,you made my day,many thanks.

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2014, 02:00:03 pm »
After that amazing list,


we find many mysteries,such as the Model 375 was intended for Grumman F7F-1
competition and not Model 374 and Model 213 was the bomber study and not
four-seat monoplane flying boat.


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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #75 on: March 02, 2014, 04:12:25 pm »
Thanks so much! -SP
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #76 on: March 02, 2014, 05:45:01 pm »
Many GREAT things in this list, indeed... such as these interesting bits (among many others):
  • the Model 9 being a "Navy Boeing Giant Boat" (I would love to see this one)
  • the Model 17 being an unbuilt T-3 transport (most certainly in the USAAS T-for-transport list)
  • the Model 18 being an unsuccessful proposal for the NBS (Type XII Bomber) competition discussed in another thread
  • the Model 19 (BSP-1) being a proposed all-metal redesign of the Navy's Curtiss TS-1
  • the Model 20 being an unsuccessful amphibian proposal for the Alaskan Survey (a role taken up by the Loening OL-8A)
  • The Model 51 being an amphibian to be designated OB-1, a reuse of that designation (previously used for a cancelled DH-4M variant)
  • the Model 97 (which was not built and replaced by the all-metal Model 202) being designated as the XFB-5 "Pursuit & Racer"
  • the Model 209 (P2B-1) being meant as a "scaled-down" PB-1 flying boat
  • the Model 231 being a planned production version of the Model 221 with "longer body"
  • the Model 288 being a Y1B-9A version for export
  • the Model 297 being the planned production version of the YP-29
  • the Model 344 Sea Ranger being the revised Vought-Sikorsky VS-301 design (I especially like this one!)
  • the Models 378 to 380 being naval adaptations of the AT-15 Crewmaker as patrol/torpedo/ASW types
Worthy of notice are the four numbers that were not listed: Models 298 (we have it elsewhere as a twin-engined high wing monoplane medium bomber project), 313 (unidentified) 347 (a commercial transport study) and 376 (a single engine carrier-based fighter study for the Navy).

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2014, 05:34:01 am »

Worthy of notice are the four numbers that were not listed: Models 298 (we have it elsewhere as a twin-engined high wing monoplane medium bomber project), 313 (unidentified)347 (a commercial transport study) and 376 (a single engine carrier-based fighter study for the Navy).


Stargazer,


what is your source about Model 347 and Model 376 ?,you suggested that or you
had a materials for them ?.

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« Reply #78 on: March 03, 2014, 06:58:59 am »
what is your source about Model 347 and Model 376 ?,you suggested that or you
had a materials for them ?


I don't know! I thought I had them from this here topic. I now have all numbers from 1 to 475 — except for: 313, 430 (reportedly unused) and 438 (reportedly unused). After that I have 479-486, 490, 495, 497, 498.

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2014, 07:10:52 am »
Stargazer,


do you have aircraft more than this mention in this topic ?,my list from Model 387
up to Model 375 has about 50 gaps,we know only those Models;


390,391,396,399,400,401,413,417,422,424,425,426,431,432,441,442,444,446,
448,449,450,451,452,454,455,457,458,459,461,462,464,466,472,473,474,479,
480,481,482,483,484,485 & 486

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #80 on: March 03, 2014, 10:58:50 am »
  Hi All!



 Thank you very much aim9xray!
 Very interesting details of Boeing own sponsored proposals and competitive proposals.
 


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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2014, 11:03:51 am »



 Stargazer,


 You say that you have information all numbers from 1 to 475.
 There are from 1 to 385, and please show us from 386 to 475.


 Thanks in advance!

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« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2014, 11:56:13 am »
You say that you have information all numbers from 1 to 475.
 There are from 1 to 385, and please show us from 386 to 475.

I've been working for several years on a Boeing index, and all the new information means I've been working a LOT more on it.

I'm planning to share it here when it's completed and proof-read...  ;)

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« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2014, 02:02:12 pm »
OK Stargazer,


and I hope from our mercy God to get us only early aircraft list for;


Bell D series
Curtiss P series
Douglas Models
Hughes Models
Republic AP series
Ryan Models
Piasecki-Vertol PD,PH & V series
Vought VE & V series


Just wish.


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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2014, 03:40:51 pm »
Here's Boeing Models 378 to 475 (minus 430 and 438 — not used), and 479-486, 490, 495, 497, 498.

Enjoy!

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2014, 08:44:07 pm »
Thanks, Stephane! -SP
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #86 on: March 04, 2014, 04:30:46 am »
Excellent my dear Stargazer,


thank you very much.

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« Reply #87 on: March 04, 2014, 05:31:03 am »
Very good work Stephane, thanks. ::)
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2014, 10:13:55 pm »
  Hi All!
 Thank you very much my friend Stargazer!
 Great job.  Now unknown 12 proposals: Model 476, 477, 478, 487, 488, 489, 491, 492, 493, 494, 496 and 499.
 Maybe including proposals will: proposal  of the competition for MX-955 (T-28)---Model 47?,  competitor of the  XV-1, 2, 3---  Model 49?.

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« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2014, 11:33:02 pm »
Excellent work Stéphane. Many thanks.

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #90 on: July 08, 2016, 01:41:18 am »
Does anyone know if there is a model 1600 series designation from approximately 1988? If so, it would explain the joined-wing Boeing EX Surveillance Concept of 1993.

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« Reply #91 on: July 08, 2016, 01:50:24 am »
Does anyone know if there is a model 1600 series designation from approximately 1988? If so, it would explain the joined-wing Boeing EX Surveillance Concept of 1993.

I do not know of any numbers in the 1600+ range but these surely must have existed.
It's very difficult to understand how Boeing Model Numbers work beyond #1000, but one thing for sure is that they are not allocated chronologically. For instance, the 1991 HSCT studies were given Model Number "1080", while the 1993 studies seem to have received the number "1873". So if you've seen a 1600+ designation for the EX program, it could be genuine... Do you have a source? A reference?

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« Reply #92 on: July 09, 2016, 03:55:20 am »
Sorry no source, only speculation based purely on the code painted on the official Boeing EX scale model - 160137, assuming Model 1601 dash 37. It's not uncommon for a company artist or model maker to include a genuine reference to the aircraft by mistake example: Northrop N336-12 VATOL in 1978 illustration . In regards to Boeing number system it would be up to the 1600's by 1990, and there are many examples of non sequential codes such as wide bodied transports in the 1000 series from 1978 and different aircraft design programs clustered in a non-common series example: Model 985 microfighter series of 1973 that also later included much larger tactical fighter design series from 1982.
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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #93 on: April 04, 2017, 11:42:02 am »
Any hints of possible model numbers for

- Bird of Prey (and a McDD model number for the origin of this aircraft)
- T-X contender (together with Saab)

?

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Re: Boeing Model Designations
« Reply #94 on: August 27, 2018, 12:52:08 pm »
From "American Secret Projects: Bombers" Page 12

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The starting point for Boeing's jet bomber studies was the Model 413 from the autumn of 1943, which would have been a response to the initial request for studies made in June of that year

That's the B-47 oldest ancestor...anybody has a picture of this design?

Thanks in advance,

Antonio

Habermehl & Hopkins' new book on B-47 shows a simple three-view of Model 413 - see page 11 top.

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« Reply #95 on: November 27, 2018, 08:09:46 am »
Just found old photocopy from old book about Boeing company (printed pror the 2000, couldn't remember any other details about edition).
Here is the Boeing's designation list from the book - see attachement.

Some new designations, that I didn't found in this thread:
883 - Fresh One Hydrofoil for US Navy
928 - PGH-2 Hydrofoil for US Navy
939 - Lunar Orbiter for NASA
946 - Burner II for USAF
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« Reply #96 on: November 28, 2018, 05:00:39 am »
Just found old photocopy from old book about Boeing company (printed pror the 2000, couldn't remember any other details about edition).

Some new designations, that I didn't found in this thread:
883 - Fresh One Hydrofoil for US Navy
928 PGH-2 Hydrofoil for US Navy
939 Lunar Orbiter for NASA
946 Burner II for USAF

What was it my dear Silencer.

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« Reply #97 on: November 28, 2018, 05:23:48 am »
Hello, hesham!

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What was it my dear Silencer.

The designations of Boeing-built items, that previously didn't listed in this thread.
Actually, it could be found in another topics of this forum, for example, in Naval section.
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