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Offline flateric

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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2007, 02:51:03 pm »
Hmm, may be this one?
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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2007, 10:25:55 am »
This one, indeed. This is Lockheed's artist's concept ca.1985.

...specifically designed to cover the real design. We have a thread about that... somewhere.

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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2008, 12:42:19 pm »
Not the plane but. . .  (From '86.  I'd say they didn't quite get there with the F-22  :P )
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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2008, 12:59:51 pm »
Yeah! E.T. in the cockpit!  :D

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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2008, 04:47:39 pm »
It seems they were off by one generation, as a lot of what is shown there appears to very much be what is in the F-35 cockpit.

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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2008, 05:20:06 am »
Aka The Bug That Ate Dayton.

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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2008, 02:51:06 am »
Original NATF pin from Lockheed team
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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2008, 06:36:53 am »
Original NATF pin from Lockheed team

They used the Syd Mead design for the pin apparently.  :)
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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2008, 10:29:29 am »
My dears,

a surprise to all member,
I have a really picture to dear (paralay) artistic
picture of Lockheed ATF project of 1986,it was shoted at its
lair,and the source mentioned it was actually built.

 the artistic picture from paralay which I mean it:
project that had inspired this game :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F29_Retaliator   :o :o

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qwJmlWdmP2M
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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2008, 01:44:46 pm »
Spotted the picture on the right yesterday.  Don't know if that's an available mode or a photoshop job though.  Now all they need are the 3D overlay graphics of SAM envelopes etc.  and they'll be set (apparently touch screens suck in the cockpit as bad as in real life).
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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2008, 02:19:10 pm »
Sferrin, I hardly doubt Adobe Systems even existed then=) This is colour transparent film as I think.
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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2008, 05:06:49 pm »
Sferrin, I hardly doubt Adobe Systems even existed then=) This is colour transparent film as I think.

Dude, I'm talkin' about the F-35 shot on the right.  ;)  Actually I guess it would help if I posted the picture I was referring to eh?  :P
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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2008, 04:46:47 am »
Well, Syd Mead's creature even did it way into Lockheed AIAA papers in 1989!

AIAA 1989-1407
ELEVATED TEMPERATURE ALUMINUM ALLOYS FOR ADVANCED FIGHTER AIRCRAFT
J. C. Ekvall, R. A. Rainenn, and D. J. Chellman
Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Company, Burbank, California
R. R. Flora
Air Force Wright Aeronautical Laboratory
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio
M. J. Gerbach
Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Company,
Marietta, Georgia
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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2008, 05:24:33 am »
That wasn't the Syd Meade design but a different one.  Check the canard position on that one with the S.M. one.
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Re: ATF: speculation and disinformation from the 1980s
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2008, 05:59:30 am »
well, a*slightly* modified S.M. one)
"There are many disbelievers in
stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works