Wagner Group Rebellion - Russian Civil War? (NEWS ONLY!)

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In my opinion, European leaders see the war in Ukraine as an opportunity to do good business without considering the possibility of being too involved in it because of an unexpected change in the situation. I believe that instead of selling the F-16s they should start an urgent modernization program with updated engines and electronics. In the mid-thirties the Polish government sold its PZL 24C and G fighters to Greece and Turkey and delayed the construction of the PZL 50 to finance the PZL 38 strategic fighter. When the Germans arrived, the Polish air force only had the outdated PZL 7 and 11. In 1939 the governments of France and Great Britain decided to suspend the export of fighters, Poland never received the MS 406 promised by the French government and only received one Hurricane, Lithuania never received the thirteen MS 406, Estonia never received the twelve Spitfires it had paid for at the price of gold and Latvia never received its thirty Hurricanes. Then the bear came and ate them. The British government sent too many Hurricanes to France that it then needed during the Battle of Britain. Is no one going to take into account the lessons of history?
 
Justo Miranda said:
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The problem is that the American political parties have set out to be opposites of each other most of the time. So every 4-8 years, policies reverse, just to be different.
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That's a luxury no country can afford, especially when you consider the world's police.They also promise the trip to Mars every four years.
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While I agree, trying to get the parties to agree on anything seems to be impossible.

It will probably take a full on shooting war with China to fix that.

Or the "American Empire" is already doomed.
 
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Раньше всех. Ну почти.

Главное из заявлений зампредседателя Совета безопасности РФ Дмитрия Медведева: Мятеж продуманная и спланированная операция, цель которой — захват власти в стране; Если ядерный арсенал РФ окажется "под управлением бандитов", весь мир будет на грани уничтожения; Медведев не исключил, что в...
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The main thing from the statements of the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev:

The rebellion is a thoughtful and planned operation, the purpose of which is to seize power in the country;

If the nuclear arsenal of the Russian Federation is "under the control of bandits", the whole world will be on the verge of destruction;

Medvedev did not rule out that foreign specialists and persons who served in the elite units of the RF Armed Forces took part in the preparation of the rebellion;

Russia will not allow the rebellion to reach the state transfer and the global crisis;

The leadership of the Russian Federation will not allow crazy criminals and their fans to seize power in the country;

Speculations about the Ministry of Defense not fulfilling its obligations and "strikes" on the rear units of the PMC "Wagner" do not stand up to criticism.
 
Very importanf theme, but from now on, please, NEWS ONLY !
Otherwise the discussions probably would lead to a quick lock anyway ! ;)
 
Пригожин: "Наступил момент, когда кровь может пролиться. Понимая всю ответственность за то, что может быть пролита русская кровь с одной из сторон, мы разворачиваем свои колонны и уходим в обратном направлении в полевые лагеря согласно плану.

Prigozhin: “The moment has come when blood can be shed. Understanding all the responsibility for the fact that Russian blood can be shed on one of the sides, we turn our columns around and leave in the opposite direction to the field camps according to the plan.
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Пригожин: "Наступил момент, когда кровь может пролиться. Понимая всю ответственность за то, что может быть пролита русская кровь с одной из сторон, мы разворачиваем свои колонны и уходим в обратном направлении в полевые лагеря согласно плану. Началась деэскалация. Спасибо Батьке.
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WDF - Lukashenko, of all people, saves the day ? he managed to stop Prighozin ? And if my mom had wheels, we would call her a wagon. I smell a rat: the cook must have bargained something. What, I have no clue; maybe he is satisfied with his show of force ? to have scared the living shit out of Putin and his loathed military ?

This is completely bonkers.
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Lukashenko was in Turkey.

www.turkishminute.com

Lukashenko's plane lands in Turkey amid mutiny in Russia: reports - Turkish Minute

A business jet used by top Belarusian officials and family members of the president of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, has landed in Turkey, Ukrainian and Belarusian media outlets reported on Saturday, amid a mutiny by Wagner mercenaries in neighboring Russia.
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The BBC has read out an English translation of Prigozhin's audio message he posted to Telegram, in which he announces the halt of the march on Moscow.

"They wanted to disband the Wagner. On the 23rd of June, we went out on a 'Justice March'," Prigozhin says.
"Within a day we were just 200km away from Moscow. During that time, we did not spill a single drop of blood of our fighters."
"Now is moment has come when blood can be spilled. Therefore, understanding all the responsibility for the fact that Russian blood will be spilled on one of the sides, we are turning our columns around and leaving in the opposite direction, to our field camps, according to the plan."
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I'm reading now that a deal has been struck, Shoigu and/or Gerasimov to resign, in exchange Prigozhin and his people to get amnesty and focus on mostly external jobs. So if Shoigu/Gerasimov are replaced or resign in the next period, we'll know what this was about.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672670377703514112
View: https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1672670377703514112


Elsewhere, apparently Wagner are packing up and leaving Rostov (to public ovations).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1672677069539483648
View: https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1672677069539483648?cxt=HHwWgIC9nde7xbYuAAAA
 
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