Vought ALVRJ Ramjet Demonstrator

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These photos date from 2003 - a quarter of a century after the ALVRJ ceased to be an active program.
Does anyone notice a visual similarity to the current Orbital Systems Coyote ramjet powered target?
 

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Greetings All -

Nothing like resurrecting an ancient thread :D

Here's a photo of the ALVRJ under the wing of another Vought product. Photo credit to Vought Retirees Club.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

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http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1972/1972%20-%202203.html

Also:
 

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overscan said:
Makes me think "Kh-31"...

Yes I agree!
If I didn't know better I would have said Soviet/Russian

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Greetings All -

One more image from the Vought Archives....

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

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Mark Nankivil said:
Greetings All -

One more image from the Vought Archives....

Enjoy the Day! Mark

Notice the difference in fuselage length ahead of the wire harness fairing between this picture and 028 in my June 19th post. There appears to have been two different models. ???
 

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sferrin said:
Notice the difference in fuselage length ahead of the wire harness fairing between this picture and 028 in my June 19th post. There appears to have been two different models. ???
The shorter one is the ALVRJ demonstrator (~1974), while the longer one is a tactical derivative for a Navy requirement (~1979).
 

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Back in early 1973 when my college AIAA group toured Vought's missile division, this is one of the projects we were shown. We were told that Vought won the study contract in competition with a Hughes proposal that would've used a AIM-54 airframe adapted to a LVRJ. It's interesting to think of that leading to an advanced, extended range Phoenix without a significant weight or envelope increase. Still, I've always loved the lines of Vought's ALVRJ concepts and I think it's a shame no production derivaive ever eventuated.
 

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The ALVRJ has a striking aerodynamic similarity to the Hsiung Feng III Ramjet Antiship Missile of Taiwanese Navy.
 

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Just a case of form following function. Give an engineer a brief to design a ramjet powered missile and more than likely the design will be similar because of the various needs which must be satisfied.
 

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Looks like this topic needs a few more images!


Here are some VAHF images.
 

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Good Day All -

A good shot showing the aft end of the missile, courtesy of the Vought Archives.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

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These photos date from 2003 - a quarter of a century after the ALVRJ ceased to be an active program.
Does anyone notice a visual similarity to the current Orbital Systems Coyote ramjet powered target?

"Why only Russian could have all the cool supersonic stuff? We want our own Moskit!!!"
 

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The LTV ALVRJ was a missed opportunity that could've been developed into a fairly capable ASM/AShM.
 

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So, why this, when SM-6 already exists and massively out-ranges it.
The SM-6 is primarily an anti-aircraft missile, a modified Coyote could be used as either an AShM or an ARM also by fitting it with a Mk-72 booster it could be fired from a ship's Mk-41 VLS instead having to launch it from a land based facility.
 

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The Coyote SSST could be modified to create a lightweight AShM or as an ARM.

Lightweight? It's Terrier-sized.
The Terrier booster could be replaced with a Mk-72 booster

So, why this, when SM-6 already exists and massively out-ranges it.
Out ranges it when flown ballistically. Not as a sea-skimmer. That said, it wouldn't be able to carry much of a warhead (Coyote that is).
 

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So, why this, when SM-6 already exists and massively out-ranges it.
The SM-6 is primarily an anti-aircraft missile, a modified Coyote could be used as either an AShM or an ARM also by fitting it with a Mk-72 booster it could be fired from a ship's Mk-41 VLS instead having to launch it from a land based facility.
The Mk72 has less (quite a bit less IIRC) ISP than the Mk70 booster. Would it have enough to get it to speed?
 

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The SM-6 is primarily an anti-aircraft missile, a modified Coyote could be used as either an AShM or an ARM also by fitting it with a Mk-72 booster it could be fired from a ship's Mk-41 VLS instead having to launch it from a land based facility.

Yes, I'm very familiar with this weapon

The thing is, SM-6 seems to fill the need for a high-speed AShM nicely, with significant range and nasty terminal effects thanks to its near vertical arrival at high speed. Granted, it's not a sea skimmer, but not many ships are set up to deal with a volley of Mach 4+ high divers either.

For sea-skimming, there is a pretty strong school of thought that faster is not always better. It forces you higher and raises your IR signature, both of which increase detection ranges. Low, slow, and preferably stealthy, is very effective.

I think a pairing of SM-6 with Tomahawk MST, NSM, or (ideally) LRASM is a very potent combo that stresses the hell out of a defender. Coyote doesn't add significantly to their problem set, especially given the tiny (barely OTH) range it offers.
 

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