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Nick Sumner

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Forgive the tread necromancy, but regarding the 300 seat VC10 derivatives (Thanks Foiling, for posting pictures), where on earth were they going to put the luggage?
 

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That was actually a very good question to ask, and the extra and probably wasted space in the nose might not cover it. If there was luggage, there'd be very little freight...
 

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Or did someone have a look to the future and predicted Ryanair
 

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I favour a simpler reason. Today we have baggage with wheels.

Back then we didn't and you had to carry what you traveled with. Therefore there would be no huge hardshell suitcases. Very few of the people in the target mass-market would have as many clothes etc as we have now, nor would they have a 'man' to carry their baggage.

How's that sound?

A couple of years ago in Tanzania Mrs CJ and I were told to limit our baggage to one soft bag and it should be less than 15kg. Luxury for me as I'm used to 12kg on choppers. Our fellow passengers turned up with massive hardshell cases on wheels. Bush pilot was rather unimpressed! took about 20 minutes messing about to get them in. We just cleared the trees at the end of the strip. Luckily it was early morning!

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Hi,


here is a Super VC-10 artist drawing.
 

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OK chaps and chapesses, I'm on the tap.

I'm helping out with a VC10 book and for the projects chapter, have been trying to find a side-view of the Triple and Double fuselage VC10s, specifically the fin shape.

Your mission, should you chose to accept it, is to proceed up to Nung river in a Navy patrol boat find a drawing (with a reliable source) of the fin for the VC10 Double and Triple.

Thanks

Chris
 

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Chris,

Derek Wood's Project Cancelled (2nd Edition) shows a good 3-View of the Double-Decker on page 227, and on page 228, a very detailed cross-section through the fuselage.

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Thanks, but it's the double and Triple fuselage jobs I'm after.

Chris
 

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Might be old news but I think there are side views in the Vickers Putnam volume...


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CJGibson said:
Thanks, but it's the double and Triple fuselage jobs I'm after.

Chris
My bad! But I think you'll find your answer in reply #11
 

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Nope. Reply 10 doesn't have side views only top and front. Hence the request :)
 

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Ahhh... apologies... I am away from said volume till tomorrow so was going from memory!


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I'd suggest that for an educated guess the tails would resemble VC-10 tails without the tailplanes at the top...
 

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Maybe so, but I'd rather not estimate anything if there's a proper drawing available.

Thanks

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Just noticed this thread doesn't appear to have a link to the 16 page brochure on the double deck VC10 (sorry Chris it only has one fuselage) at this webpage:



http://www.vc10.net/History/doubledeck_super_vc10.html
 

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Chris,


They may not have had any side views drawn - they are 'notional' layouts and the top and front views give what is needed.


If forced to guess, the double bubble one with underwing engines would be a good guess. Maybe compare the fin length from top views in post 10?
 

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CJGibson said:
Maybe so, but I'd rather not estimate anything if there's a proper drawing available.

Thanks

Chris
I was also suggesting that the side view of the top image in Reply #11 might be a good place to start, but I understand why you want a proper drawing.

I'm trying to remember where I've seen these double and triple fuselage drawings before, I'm sure there was a side view in them which is why I turned to the Project Cancelled book. Have you tried asking the VC-10 expert at Air-Britain ? I think there was an article in their Aero-Militaria magazine some time ago.
 

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It's him that's asking me!

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As one who has previously created imaginary twin fuselage versions of existing types, I can testify that quite often I only did a two-view plan as I found the side view was almost exactly the same as that of the regular version. Perhaps that's the reason they didn't bother with the side view either? Perhaps it simply looked like a regular VC.10 profile view...
 

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I prefer not to extrapolate features. Anyway, the tail assembly on the Double and Triple are completely different as the tailplanes are mounted on the fuselage.

Chris
 

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Asymmetric engines.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19690602/129/2
 

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There's a whole page about the VC-10 test bed for the RB211 over here:
http://www.vc10.net/History/Individual/XR809.html
 

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Arjen said:
There's a whole page about the VC-10 test bed for the RB211 over here:
http://www.vc10.net/History/Individual/XR809.html
Thank you my dear Arjen.
 

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Dear Boys & Girls, here are a pair of vintage photographs that I bought earlier this month at the Heathrow Aviation Enthusiasts' Air Fair at Kempton Park showing the original BAC VC10 Super 200 design (which remained a project, but wasn't "secret")......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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Gorgeous pics! "Dear Boys & Girls"! The twisted sense of humour! The same old avatar!

It's almost as if you'd never left, Caravellarella. Good to have you back on board...
 

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Lovely pics! Thanks for sharing Caravellarella!
 

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If you quote the tweet text, the image you provided gains the necessary context, and as if by magic, becomes searchable.

DH "118" was de Havilland's proposed long-range jet for BOAC at the time VC10 design crystalised at Weybridge
 

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The only one I'm aware of was the use of RB.178 for the double-decker version.
 

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Hi,


Note that the attachments to this post are a mix of VC-10 Superb and the Trident 5.
Interesting nonetheless. Is there another thread for the Trident/Bident ones. The one that has the CFM56s but keeps the RB162 booster is clearly making the case for a new wing.

Back on message with the thread, I read somewhere Vickers only needed to make 75 VC10s to make it worth their while. A low target that they missed, but shows they were never trying to reach 707 numbers.
 

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I think comparing the VC10 with a 707 is like comparing a Rolls Royce with a Lincoln Continental. They are not really competitors, though they both go after the same customers.
BOAC quietly exploited the positive points of both on the Transatlanticr route.
In a bitter irony my first flight outside Europe in March 1982 on a classic VC10 route from Rome to Khartoum via Cairo was on a particularly worn out 707.
 

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