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Various Russian Prototypes and Projects During & Pre-WW1

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Engineer Rinne gas-generation engine, with special powerful fuel, for aircraft. Weight, with water and without fuel - "not bigger than 0.2 kg on 1 hp"
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AMBS (A. Mikulin and B. Stechkin) opposyte engines
Type A - four-cilinder, diceplacement - 11.52 L, dry weight 320 kg, power 250 HP at 2300 rpm (1.28 kg/HP, 21.7 HP/L). Builted in 1916-1917.
Type D - double-cilinder, diceplacement - 3.8 L, dry weight 192 kg, power 200 HP at 2000 rpm (0.96 kg/HP, 52.63 HP/L). Project, planned to realise at 1917-1919.
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Also, I thread about 500 HP version of AMBS in 1918-1919, but I haven't data about this project. Also, I thread about powerful version of AMBS D, with 300 hp at 3000 rpm.
 
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There's the Svyagotor bomber (1 built), detailed in another post, The Sikorsky S-11 (1 built), and the Sikorsky S-20 (5 built), the Sikorsky S-18 (1 built), the Sikorsky S-15 (1 built), the Sikorsky S-13 and 14 (0 built), Sikorsky S-17 (2 built), The Sikorsky S-19 (1 built), and the airship projects Gigant (1 built), and the Vozdushniy Kreyser (0 built). Hope this helps y'all out. the S-18, svyagator bomber, S-19, and the airships interest me the most, though ww1 aviation in general fascinates me.
 

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Thank you Natewillcome4y,

and can you tell us more about S-13,S-14 & S-15 ?.
 

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... more about S-13,S-14 & S-15 ?.

i[]Sikorsky Archives News[/i], January 2012, page 7

The S-13 and S-14 aircraft were started, but they were not completed, because of difficulties in receiving the engines during the early period of the war years.

The light bombing aircraft S-15 powered with 125 hp Argus engines was a highly-modified variant of the S-10 series. The wingspan was 55 feet, and the maximum speed was about 60 miles per hour. In mid summer 1914, it was converted from land gear to a float plane configuration and assigned to the Russian Navy’s Baltic Fleet.

According to airwar.ru, the S-15 was sent to Reval for testing as a floatplane in October 1914 but failed to meet naval requirements.

I would question Sikorsky Archives' statement about the S-15 being "highly-modified". The S-10 could be fitted with an Argus inline (albeit a 4-cylinder not a 6) but the weight difference would not be extreme. The quoted S-15 wingspan of 55 feet is only 5 and 2/5th inches off the S-10 span of 55.45 feet (16.9 m). That sounds more like rounding off than any major changes to the wings. So, where is the need for extensive modifications to the base airframe?
 

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Cliff notes on the Gigant:
635,600 cubic feet, 105 or 150 meters long, depending on the sources below, 16m in diameter, top speed 40mph, ceiling 11,000 feet, 20 hours endurance

Are there any primary sources to verify the size? qAlso, I can't find any info on the intended follow up design, the Vozdushniy Kreyser.
Were there any designs for a follow on to the Ilya Muromets?
 

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Nothing more than what's on wikipedia for them I'm afraid.
I guess the Le Grand could be considered a viable candidate for this thread, as it was designed in part for strategic reconniasance
I found this interesting aircraft on the Russian wikipedia
That is the Grigorovich/Shishmariov GASN. It was the world’s first float torpedo-bomber.

More info: https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.ecured.cu/Grigorovich/Shishmariov_GASN&xid=17259,15700022,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700283&usg=ALkJrhh6VWGh-5owe_M47iMY6VjKLX5Lng
 

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Hi,


Mr. V.S. Keburiya built a glider aircraft in 1909,also designed and built a monoplane in 1912
or No.2,followed by No.3 in 1913,which similar to Morane but Nieuport-type undercarriage,
who has a pictures or drawings to them ?.
Here are couple of Keburia pix (from five)
 

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Some more finds:

The Engels MI, a comparatively fast flying boat fighter prototype, 60 were planned, 2 were built

The Anatra Anadva, a twin fuselage bomber prototype, 1 built

The Anatra DE, a rather unique 3 engined bomber prototype, 1 built

In addition, to correct an earlier comment I made there were 2 Sikorsky S-17s built, not 1

The Sikorsky S-28, a bomber Sikorsky designed for France in 1918, 0 built

The Savalev reconnaisance quadriplane prototype, 1 built

The Anatra Anadis, a fighter prototype based off of the Anatra DS Ansal reconnaisance biplane, 1 built
 

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A project I find very intriguing: The Sikorsky Alexander Nevsky, the successor design to the Ilya Muromets
If anyone can find pictures I'd greatly appreciate it
I also know about this project, but... It's, I think, hoax machine. 250 kmph - ok, 1.5 ton load - ok, light metal in construction - ok, but... 12.7, 15.2 mm machine guns, 25 mm cannon... Kurchevskiy gun... And... 5-inch rockets... Leonid Kurchevskiy in this period worked at mechanical catapulte, and, his first recoiless guns - late 1920th. And, "Alexander Nevskiy" - detail of very weird legend about "Ilya Murometz", who destoyed a German tanks by firing of 25-37 mm cannons, and armoured cars by 12.7 mm machine gun. For 9-ton bomber from WW1 it's very big. It's a really heavy drugs. I think, "Alexander Nevskiy" created by one of small-known Russian writer, in alternative history books. And... Where is photos with this airplane? We have many photos with "Svyatogor", but, "Svyatogor" wasn't flying. "Alexander" flying, and we haven't a photos. Where is details of 12.7, 15.2, 25 mm guns? Where is documents? It's one of "unknown wunderwaffe", with K-1000 battleship, nuclear bullets, nazi UFO, etc. Yes, in Russia projected machines with big load, with armour, 3-inch recoiless cannons, light metall, light engines, but... Built this machine in 1916-17? It's not realistic.
 

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Weird that all those Russian books and authors starting with Shavrov completely forgot to mention this wonderful machine... Including Marat Khairulin's monography about Ilya Muromets. Not a word about this alleged succesor. Fake.
 

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When you stop dragging any nonsense here from the Alternative History website. And Wikipedia also has unverified information. But Shavrov and the rest did not write about “Alexander Nevsky” because of the lack of this aircraft neither in the project nor in reality.
 

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Read carefully
 

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Well damn, wish I saw that. And no, I don't get my shit from alternate history websites, several sites mentioned it and the closest thing I could find to someone saying it's a fake project was someone suggsting it's just a mix up wit an ilya muromets called the Alexander Nevsky. My apologies.
 
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