Sometimes you find things at home that you've forgotten .On one of my hard drives,i found this, but from where,i downloaded it . nada.
Following my post #4 concerning an A9 II Bemannt, here is a Drawing of two-men A9-II reported by Heinz Stoelzel a captain in the Wehrmacht assigned to the Rocket-Bomb Plant at Peenemuende and quoted by (Todd H.Rider page 3969 in his book "Forgotten Creators"), this bibliographic reference was introduced to the forum by an SPF member "williamjpellas". See threads "Prüfstand XII: submarine launched V-2 rockets".Sometimes you find things at home that you've forgotten .On one of my hard drives,i found this, but from where,i downloaded it . nada.
Ummm... no. The A-4 (and thus A-9) rocket was only 1.65 meters in diameter. No packing a manned capsule like that into it. The dimensions are hard to read, but this thing seems to claim a diameter in excess of 2 meters.
It's fictional.
Following my post #4 concerning an A9 II Bemannt, here is a Drawing of two-men A9-II ...
Yeah that book was thoroughly demolished in another thread as being completely unreliable and even intentionally misleading and fabricated.Rocket-Bomb Plant at Peenemuende and quoted by (Todd H.Rider page 3969 in his book "Forgotten Creators"), this bibliographic reference was introduced to the forum by an SPF member "williamjpellas". See threads "Prüfstand XII: submarine launched V-2 rockets".
Stoelzel was actually a captain/lieutenant of the Luftwaffe (ok, still a branch of the Wehrmacht ), who presented a concept of an unguided AA rocket in 1942. Some limited tests of his rockets, which were developed by Stoelzel without appropriate support or control from higher instances, were conducted in mid 1943 in HAP, then he was allegedly sent to the front for combat trials, which were completely unsuccessfull and the project was halted.Heinz Stoelzel a captain in the Wehrmacht assigned to the Rocket-Bomb Plant at Peenemuende
Exactly. It's a perfectly plausible explanation, that actually explains a lot of puzzling irregularities, like abovementioned -But Schmeisser was a well known personality at least.
Stoelzel was, in turn, just no-one, so he could easily want to invent the most incredible projects, just to be considered as a valuable designer by the Allies.
The A-4 (and thus A-9) rocket was only 1.65 meters in diameter. No packing a manned capsule like that into it. The dimensions are hard to read, but this thing seems to claim a diameter in excess of 2 meters.
Yeah that book was thoroughly demolished in another thread as being completely unreliable and even intentionally misleading and fabricated.Rocket-Bomb Plant at Peenemuende and quoted by (Todd H.Rider page 3969 in his book "Forgotten Creators"), this bibliographic reference was introduced to the forum by an SPF member "williamjpellas". See threads "Prüfstand XII: submarine launched V-2 rockets".
Following my post #4 concerning an A9 II Bemannt, here is a Drawing of two-men A9-II reported by Heinz Stoelzel a captain in the Wehrmacht assigned to the Rocket-Bomb Plant at Peenemuende and quoted by (Todd H.Rider page 3969 in his book "Forgotten Creators"), this bibliographic reference was introduced to the forum by an SPF member "williamjpellas". See threads "Prüfstand XII: submarine launched V-2 rockets".Sometimes you find things at home that you've forgotten .On one of my hard drives,i found this, but from where,i downloaded it . nada.
Ummm... no. The A-4 (and thus A-9) rocket was only 1.65 meters in diameter. No packing a manned capsule like that into it. The dimensions are hard to read, but this thing seems to claim a diameter in excess of 2 meters.
It's fictional.
Which you "know", because you have personally and closely read and studied the book, its bibliography, and the endorsements of a number of people who, I am quite certain, are far better educated than you are. Right?
Uh huh. And how much of the book have you read? Care to offer any specifics about which documents you think are fraudulent, or misused, or wrongly cited? Which specific passages in Dr. Rider's writing are equivalent, to your mind and august, impeccable credentials, to "topics like Ancient Aliens and Apollo Hoaxes and Holocaust Denial and Pink Taxes and Wage Gaps and Flat Earths"?Which you "know", because you have personally and closely read and studied the book, its bibliography, and the endorsements of a number of people who, I am quite certain, are far better educated than you are. Right?
None of that counters "this book is bunk." I've personally seen with my own eyes the value of "endorsements" of books... I saw an author whom I do not respect write a glowing testimonial to his own book, slide a printout of the text across the desk to a Respected Person who merely glanced at it, signed it and went on about his day. The "endorsement" was dutifully printed on the back of the book as being from Respected Person.
Plus: One need not read all of a multi-thousand-page book on a subject to dismiss it more or less out of hand. How many errors need to be displayed before you set the whole thing aside? Level of effort has no relationship whatsoever to do with accuracy of claims, as the history of vast amounts of publishing on topics like Ancient Aliens and Apollo Hoaxes and Holocaust Denial and Pink Taxes and Wage Gaps and Flat Earths attest.
Care to offer any specifics about which documents you think are fraudulent, or misused, or wrongly cited?
I gave my review of the aviation chapter last August. I don't intend to waste any more time debating its contents or literary and historic value.Yeah that book was thoroughly demolished in another thread as being completely unreliable and even intentionally misleading and fabricated.Rocket-Bomb Plant at Peenemuende and quoted by (Todd H.Rider page 3969 in his book "Forgotten Creators"), this bibliographic reference was introduced to the forum by an SPF member "williamjpellas". See threads "Prüfstand XII: submarine launched V-2 rockets".
Which you "know", because you have personally and closely read and studied the book, its bibliography, and the endorsements of a number of prominent people, none of whom is remotely part of the conspiracy kook fringe. Right?
Right, so you know without knowing. Got it. Have a nice day, sir.I gave my review of the aviation chapter last August. I don't intend to waste any more time debating its contents or literary and historic value.Yeah that book was thoroughly demolished in another thread as being completely unreliable and even intentionally misleading and fabricated.Rocket-Bomb Plant at Peenemuende and quoted by (Todd H.Rider page 3969 in his book "Forgotten Creators"), this bibliographic reference was introduced to the forum by an SPF member "williamjpellas". See threads "Prüfstand XII: submarine launched V-2 rockets".
Which you "know", because you have personally and closely read and studied the book, its bibliography, and the endorsements of a number of prominent people, none of whom is remotely part of the conspiracy kook fringe. Right?
Right, so you know without knowing. Got it.
In the FWIW category, the drawing appears to be dated in August 1945...
Russian geologist Obruchev in 1915 wrote rather good novel "Plutonia" about expedition into hollow Earth, inhabitated by lifeforms (mammoths, dinosaurs, giant ants) long-extinct on the surface. On the foreword he stated that everyone know, the Earth is quite obviously NOT hollow, but he was impressed by Jules Verne's "Voyage to the center of the Earth" and decided to use hollow Earth premise for an educational novel, which would describe cotemporary knowledge about extinct species (he apparently knew nothing about Burrough's "Pellucidar").It's a perfectly valid approach when dealing with a lifespan of limited duration. If someone presents you with a thousand-page tome on, say, the Hollow Earth Theory, claiming that Earth is a hollow shell and that, in fact, *we* are living on the inside... do you need to read all 1,000 pages and check all 500 of its references before you go "nah?"
Exactly.About the same time a lot of Germans were inflating their resumes as a way to get in good with the US Army. It was starting around this time that von Braun started making claims about the A-11 and A-12 and a space station... claims that, to my knowledge, have never been backed up with verified wartime documentation or even testimonials from other German rocketeers.
What is this?Schwarzgerät
A thing from a famous V-2-adjacent novel.What is this?Schwarzgerät
I've been trying to read that book for over a year now.