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I guess this threat can be used for any UK defense related discussion but I've got a very specific question to start it off.

It is claimed in the above article that UK will sent loitering munitions like drones to Ukraine. So, my question is - what what kind of loitering munitions could those be?
What sort of loitering munitions or suicide drones does UK even have right now?
I'm not aware of any. It doesn't have switchblade drones, to my knowledge. Nor any kind of similar drone.

The closest thing would perhaps be the Israeli made sourced Spike NLOS missile system - that's really just a long range, slow missile. Not really a drone nor a proper loitering munition.
And even if those are the systems in question - what sort of political barriers must first be addressed with Israel - would UK be able to just give those systems to a third party without prior approval?
 

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I wasn't aware we [the UK] had any loitering munitions? I'd just got over the whole Fire Shadow 'thing' and now I'm reminded of it again...
 

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Well, just so long as they don't end being as expensive as FireShadow....

("WHAT? That's the price for just the WING??? You're 'avin' a laugh!" etc etc ;) )
I never managed to find out what the target price of a Fireshadow was, any ideas? Given we only made 25 of them and paid for the entire development and test programme I expect the cost per round was rather high...
 

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Can't speak to the target cost but I know the wings alone cost [from Marshalls) about the same as an NLAW round...
There were other options available to them to get the wings [and other composite parts] done much cheaper but they went with who they did. 'Why?' - well, that's anyone's guess. I had a feeling it was going to be less than a success from the industry day (all the usual suspects with their 'optimistic invoicing structure' ;) ).
 

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What about the artillery the uk is sending to Ukraine? There weren't any details published concerning those. Media speculated it could be AS90 but some towed artillery pieces might be more likely. Could anyone try to surmise which type might it be?
Then again, I guess it might also be some large mortars as well...
 

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I think Slovakia us sending some Suzana SPGs. But like extent artillery in Ukraine it's 152mm....
 

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Have we really got any artillery to spare?
 

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Have we really got any artillery to spare?

There's some rumors that it's MLRS being sent. Were any surplused in the recent upgrade process?
 

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Another question.
When brimstone missile is fired from a truck, in non line of sight mode, how is it guided?
Does it have GPS? INS ?
And does it then, as it flies towards the target location, recognize a target on its own and does it lock into the target on its own?
 

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Another question.
When brimstone missile is fired from a truck, in non line of sight mode, how is it guided?
Does it have GPS? INS ?
And does it then, as it flies towards the target location, recognize a target on its own and does it lock into the target on its own?
As you will see here, Brimstone is a fully fire-and-forget system, requiring no further interaction from the launch platform or a post-launch target designator.
 

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There's some rumors that it's MLRS being sent. Were any surplused in the recent upgrade process?
We did have c70 at one point, but only 42 odd were given the full GMLRS treatment (and are now getting upgraded further to handle PrSM. To be honest I don't think the RA would allow them to go...but the US and Germany have a lot of M2701A1 in stock...

Don't think there are any FH-70 left around either, M109 all gone as well.

Hopefully the current conflict will make us have a good look at disposals again...we get rid of kit far too soon for peanuts and attrition is a real thing in war...

By all accounts MoD Surplus sales have totally stopped since the start of the war...but you still get items like this arriving at Witham's. Apparently 'NATO' stock, not UK (LHD)...bet the Ukrainian's would love to get hold of some....4 x Oshkosh HET with mileage from 5073 miles...basically barely run in...


Or this...how on earth does a 2008 MAN truck only get 193km on the clock! Thought we were rotating them...

 

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Another question.
When brimstone missile is fired from a truck, in non line of sight mode, how is it guided?
Does it have GPS? INS ?
And does it then, as it flies towards the target location, recognize a target on its own and does it lock into the target on its own?
As you will see here, Brimstone is a fully fire-and-forget system, requiring no further interaction from the launch platform or a post-launch target designator.
Range isn't mentioned in that article. Does anyone know?
 

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Another question.
When brimstone missile is fired from a truck, in non line of sight mode, how is it guided?
Does it have GPS? INS ?
And does it then, as it flies towards the target location, recognize a target on its own and does it lock into the target on its own?
As you will see here, Brimstone is a fully fire-and-forget system, requiring no further interaction from the launch platform or a post-launch target designator.
Range isn't mentioned in that article. Does anyone know?

See the thread 'MBDA' Brimstone' https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/mbda-brimstone.4720/post-532469
 

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