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I’m intrigued. Any pics or references?Bristol's proposals to the program that led to the Lightning (the Type 177 series) all look remarkably awful in every single way. I have yet to find one aspect about them that would be noteworthy as "attractive".
British Secret Projects 1, in the chapter about Transonic flight (or as I like to call it: "The one about the Lightning"). I haven't found any photos of it on the forum as of yet. The main proposals had a nose mounted intake, with engines mounted on top of each other. The tail is extremely tall and the elevators mounted at the very ends of them, the fuselage is tall too, and the nose landing gear is longer than the aft landing gear, raising the nose up, into the air. Speaking of landing gear, they all look really thin, almost as if somebody just got a toothpick for a landing gear, and called it a day. It is safe to say it gives the design a very sill, unwieldy appearance. In summary, it looked like an early Lightning (P.1A), that got bashed with a hammer on the side, making it as flat as an aircraft can be.I’m intrigued. Any pics or references?Bristol's proposals to the program that led to the Lightning (the Type 177 series) all look remarkably awful in every single way. I have yet to find one aspect about them that would be noteworthy as "attractive".
Now this, is pod racing!Airspeed A.S.31, 1936:
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British Secret Projects 1, in the chapter about Transonic flight (or as I like to call it: "The one about the Lightning"). I haven't found any photos of it on the forum as of yet. The main proposals had a nose mounted intake, with engines mounted on top of each other. The tail is extremely tall and the elevators mounted at the very ends of them, the fuselage is tall too, and the nose landing gear is longer than the aft landing gear, raising the nose up, into the air. Speaking of landing gear, they all look really thin, almost as if somebody just got a toothpick for a landing gear, and called it a day. It is safe to say it gives the design a very sill, unwieldy appearance. In summary, it looked like an early Lightning (P.1A), that got bashed with a hammer on the side, making it as flat as an aircraft can be.I’m intrigued. Any pics or references?Bristol's proposals to the program that led to the Lightning (the Type 177 series) all look remarkably awful in every single way. I have yet to find one aspect about them that would be noteworthy as "attractive".
I don't mind this one as much, since it looks sleek, Bristol's looks like it had the aerodynamics of a brickHello,
I've found the horror I reminded. But it can't be what you describes, because mine is a Fairey.
"Proletarian names" (abbreviations of names of communist leaders or symbols), 1921:Kolko ? sounds like kolkhoz... must have been designed by a communist aviator...
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Poor Emil!Airspeed A.S.31, 1936:
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Poor Emil!Airspeed A.S.31, 1936:
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Good Lord, that's a nose-over ready to happen at the first chance. It makes the Barling Bomber look good in comparison.Austrian-Hungarian Lloyd 40.08, 1916-1918
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This beautiful aircraft, with a weight of 4.85 tons, had only 200 kg of bombs, absolutely everything was perfect in it, absolutely zero visibility for the pilot sitting in the depths of the structure, the inability to take off, and constant attempts to capsize. Flying... I don't even know what to call it. Flying coffin? Flying toilet? I could call it what I want, but I don't want to be banned. Scheissebomberflugzeug...
Good Lord, that's a nose-over ready to happen at the first chance. It makes the Barling Bomber look good in comparison.Austrian-Hungarian Lloyd 40.08, 1916-1918
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This beautiful aircraft, with a weight of 4.85 tons, had only 200 kg of bombs, absolutely everything was perfect in it, absolutely zero visibility for the pilot sitting in the depths of the structure, the inability to take off, and constant attempts to capsize. Flying... I don't even know what to call it. Flying coffin? Flying toilet? I could call it what I want, but I don't want to be banned. Scheissebomberflugzeug...
Good wisdomThe worst unbuilt project....
.....the one you really, really wished you had built.
Based on that cover art, they may be a little late ..........Possibly James P. Hogan was inspired by this project for chapter one of his novel "Inherit the Stars"
How about the Griffith VTOL SST ?
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it's a looker... what could possibly go wrong? It's difficult enough to make an SST, but make it VTOL with 68 engines.
Hitler authorises 2 x maus to push them back into the sea! They would still be sitting on the beach today.Belated thought: given the degree of misinformation spread to convince Germans that invasion was so headed for Calais, 'The Great Panjandrum' and its potential for Atlantic Wall busting was a perfect fit.
They'd already seen 'impossible' dam-buster bouncing bombs, 'impossible' sub-pen busting 'earthquake' bombs etc etc. How were they to know that clever Mr Wallis was not going to wave his magic slide-rule over yet-another frightful project ??
In truth, the Panjandrum was a bit like the TOG 'mega-tanks': Sorry, wrong war...
Where-as Hobart's 'funnies', many of which were (IMHO) sadly misused, inappropriately deployed due to near-criminal lack of 'joined-up thinking'......
Given the likely results of successively hitting the surrounding rock with intense pressure waves, followed by steam infiltration into the resulting cracks, I'm going to suspect this one would make all the issues with earthquakes around fracking plants look trivial - most people don't want sinkholes leaking radioactive steam in their back gardens, or indeed on the same continent.As crazy as it sounds, it more than likely would have worked. Would have driven the green movement to insanity though!A thermonuclear power plant running on H-bombs ! Who needs ITER, really ?
Given the likely results of successively hitting the surrounding rock with intense pressure waves, followed by steam infiltration into the resulting cracks, I'm going to suspect this one would make all the issues with earthquakes around fracking plants look trivial - most people don't want sinkholes leaking radioactive steam in their back gardens, or indeed on the same continent.As crazy as it sounds, it more than likely would have worked. Would have driven the green movement to insanity though!A thermonuclear power plant running on H-bombs ! Who needs ITER, really ?
Hmm, Maus vs 15" firing in direct support, my money's on the battleships. And for that matter the 290mm Petard Mortar on the Churchill AVRE would make a pretty mess of the inside of a Maus.Hitler authorises 2 x maus to push them back into the sea! They would still be sitting on the beach today.Belated thought: given the degree of misinformation spread to convince Germans that invasion was so headed for Calais, 'The Great Panjandrum' and its potential for Atlantic Wall busting was a perfect fit.
They'd already seen 'impossible' dam-buster bouncing bombs, 'impossible' sub-pen busting 'earthquake' bombs etc etc. How were they to know that clever Mr Wallis was not going to wave his magic slide-rule over yet-another frightful project ??
In truth, the Panjandrum was a bit like the TOG 'mega-tanks': Sorry, wrong war...
Where-as Hobart's 'funnies', many of which were (IMHO) sadly misused, inappropriately deployed due to near-criminal lack of 'joined-up thinking'......
September 1948 advertisement for the Vanadium Corporation of America.How about the Griffith VTOL SST ?
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it's a looker... what could possibly go wrong? It's difficult enough to make an SST, but make it VTOL with 68 engines.
Great book, great trilogy..... MarkPossibly James P. Hogan was inspired by this project for chapter one of his novel "Inherit the Stars"
That thing belongs in a cartoon, or some dark alternative-universe WW1 drama where it's kept aloft by sheer faith in the cause.Austrian-Hungarian Lloyd 40.08, 1916-1918
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This beautiful aircraft, with a weight of 4.85 tons, had only 200 kg of bombs, absolutely everything was perfect in it, absolutely zero visibility for the pilot sitting in the depths of the structure, the inability to take off, and constant attempts to capsize. Flying... I don't even know what to call it. Flying coffin? Flying toilet? I could call it what I want, but I don't want to be banned. Scheissebomberflugzeug...
Hard to believe that anyone could build a canard uglier than that built by the (American) Granville Brothers ... but the Russians succeeded!Ugly Russian planes:
Gribovskiy "Utka" ("Duck"), 1934 (project):
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"Blokha" ("Flea"), 8 HP engine, 1920s ("Hobbit Aircrafts Factory"):
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The Russians also had a project of an aircraft similar to the I-16, but even smaller in size, but I cannot find it.