martinbayer
ACCESS: Top Secret
Why artists are becoming less scared of AI
As people tinker and experiment with it, we’re gaining a clearer understanding of its limitations in creative fields.
The potential effect of Artificial Intelligence on civilisation - a serious discussion
- Thread starter GTX
- Start date
I guess some people don't appreciate the meaning of "Serious" in the title topic and want to turn the thread into yet another tit-fo-tat argument. Solution is to clean up the offending posts and ban certain members from posting in it. Not an action taken lightly but given this is the 3rd or 4th such thread that this has happened in, tolerance is limited. Please don't make the forum painful for members. If you want to argue do so somewhere private.
Rhinocrates
ACCESS: Top Secret
Paywalled, alas. I'll have to buy the paper edition.
www.economist.com
AI will transform the character of warfare
Technology will make war faster and more opaque. It could also prove destabilising
Is AI a standalone product or just another feature to be built into software be it on a mobile or spaceship:
View: https://youtu.be/sDIi95CqTiM?si=UE2Br00Xq9ya5RYG
Former OpenAI bigwig Ilya Sutskever has broken free to pursue Artificial Super Intelligence with his new company SSI:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUrrHPVHeLM
Former OpenAI bigwig Ilya Sutskever has broken free to pursue Artificial Super Intelligence with his new company SSI:
southwestforests
ACCESS: Top Secret
CHATGPT an ableist?
techxplore.com
ChatGPT is biased against resumes with credentials that imply a disability—but it can improve
While seeking research internships last year, University of Washington graduate student Kate Glazko noticed recruiters posting online that they'd used OpenAI's ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence tools to summarize resumes and rank candidates. Automated screening has been commonplace in...
Major Labels Sue AI Music Services Suno and Udio for Copyright Infringement
The RIAA, on behalf of Sony, Universal and Warner Music, is suing the AI music services Suno and Udio for copyright Infringement in 'training' AI.
variety.com
greenmartian2017
The Shadow knows what lurks in the hearts of men
I came across this very excellent article (AI related) about large language models (LLMs). It provides insights into over-reactions by many as to the capabilities of computers all along, and I think this Q&A shows that what used to be considered "intelligence" has been forced to evolve by people, as humans find out that machines really aren't thinking as of yet. (But we have put together some very powerful algorithms.)
More illumination is needed on this topic, and a lot less heat. This article provides a great deal of illumination.
I like this quote: "I like to tell people that everything an LLM says is actually a hallucination. Some of the hallucinations just happen to be true because of the statistics of language and the way we use language." (Boldface added by me.)
And I like this quote also: "Rather than the dramatic AI narrative about what’s just happened with ChatGPT, I think it’s important to point out that the real revolution, which passed relatively unheralded, was around the year 2000 when everything became digital. That’s the change that we’re still reckoning with. But because it happened 20 to 30 years ago, it’s something we take for granted." (Boldface added by me.)
And this too: "Handing off our decision-making to algorithms has hurt us in some ways, and we’re starting to see the results of that now with the current state of the world."
And I like this quote as well: "I think it’s fair to say that the consensus among people who study human intelligence is that there’s a much bigger gap between human and artificial intelligence, and that the real risks we should pay attention to are not the far-off existential risks of AI agents taking over but rather the more mundane risks of misinformation and other bad stuff showing up on the internet." (Boldface by me.)
As many here on this thread have been outspoken about, it's the enshittification of our communications and decision-making spaces that is the most imminent threat we face right now from these AIs. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have our "radar" up for more existential risks, but we got a lot on the plate right now as businesses try to apply these (my opinion) half-formed/incompletely-thought-out algorithms to current everyday culture and commerce.
Here's the URL link for the article: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article...tion-with-alison-gopnik-and-melanie-mitchell/.
More illumination is needed on this topic, and a lot less heat. This article provides a great deal of illumination.
I like this quote: "I like to tell people that everything an LLM says is actually a hallucination. Some of the hallucinations just happen to be true because of the statistics of language and the way we use language." (Boldface added by me.)
And I like this quote also: "Rather than the dramatic AI narrative about what’s just happened with ChatGPT, I think it’s important to point out that the real revolution, which passed relatively unheralded, was around the year 2000 when everything became digital. That’s the change that we’re still reckoning with. But because it happened 20 to 30 years ago, it’s something we take for granted." (Boldface added by me.)
And this too: "Handing off our decision-making to algorithms has hurt us in some ways, and we’re starting to see the results of that now with the current state of the world."
And I like this quote as well: "I think it’s fair to say that the consensus among people who study human intelligence is that there’s a much bigger gap between human and artificial intelligence, and that the real risks we should pay attention to are not the far-off existential risks of AI agents taking over but rather the more mundane risks of misinformation and other bad stuff showing up on the internet." (Boldface by me.)
As many here on this thread have been outspoken about, it's the enshittification of our communications and decision-making spaces that is the most imminent threat we face right now from these AIs. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have our "radar" up for more existential risks, but we got a lot on the plate right now as businesses try to apply these (my opinion) half-formed/incompletely-thought-out algorithms to current everyday culture and commerce.
Here's the URL link for the article: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article...tion-with-alison-gopnik-and-melanie-mitchell/.
Sounds like they are trying to put safeguards in to stop people abusing it, but you kind of want to say well good luck with that as I don’t think they are going to succeed as people will always find ways round these things.
techcrunch.com
OpenAI delays ChatGPT's new Voice Mode | TechCrunch
OpenAI has delayed its Voice Mode feature that allows users to have near-real-time conversations with ChatGPT.
techcrunch.com
More news from the music entertainment industry
techxplore.com
techxplore.com
medicalxpress.com
phys.org
AI images more detectable at least
techxplore.com
techxplore.com
techxplore.com
Major music labels sue AI startups over copyright infringement
Some of the world's major music labels are suing music generation services Suno and Udio, accusing the startups of violating the copyrights of top artists to train their generative AI engines without permission.
Sony introduces AI for single-instrument accompaniment generation in music production
In recent decades, many engineers have started developing artificial intelligence (AI)-based tools that can support the work of creative professionals, speeding up or enhancing the production of different types of content. These include computational models that can generate musical tracks and...
Music study reveals brain's predictive power
Ever heard just a snippet of a song and instantly known what comes next? Or picked up the rhythm of a chorus after just a few notes? New research from the Center for Music in the Brain at Aarhus University and the Centre for Eudaimonia and Human Flourishing at the University of Oxford has...
Lemur communication shows how humans evolved to create music
A type of lemur which communicates in rhythmic song shows how humans have evolved to create music, according to researchers at The University of Warwick.
AI images more detectable at least
Is ChatGPT the key to stopping deepfakes? Study asks LLMs to spot AI-generated images
When most people think of artificial intelligence, they're probably thinking of—and worrying about—ChatGPT and deepfakes. AI-generated text and images dominate our social media feeds and the other websites we visit, sometimes without us knowing it, and are often used to spread unreliable and...
New tool detects AI-generated videos with 93.7% accuracy
Earlier this year, an employee at a multinational corporation sent fraudsters $25 million. The instructions to transfer the money came—the employee thought—straight from the company's CFO. In reality, the criminals had used an AI program to generate realistic videos of the CFO and several other...
Convolutional optical neural networks herald a new era for AI imaging
Convolutional neural networks (CNNs), with their exceptional image recognition capabilities, have performed outstandingly in the field of AI and notably within platforms like ChatGPT. Recently, a team of Chinese researchers from University of Shanghai for Science and Technology have successfully...
Heh, that's ironic. I did the one there with Midjourney.
Was messing around on Youtube last night and was served up these. No idea how much human input went into them but one could easily see the second one as a 6/10 Sci Fi.
(There were some amusing voice selections in that second one.)
Some people call it "information disaster" when the majority of informations are lies or generated by AI and finally nobody trust the internet, the medias and the politics.
And let's take a AI system which surveil an enemy area and it see a building where people walk in and out. So AI make the decision that this building is a enemy command center and destroy the building. But in reality is was a hospital or a shopping center. With AI as decision maker, we will increase the hate on the world.
But according the Milgram experiment this already happen when the decision maker is sitting in a different location than the victim, the same happen by decisions by information from a network like media or internet or only KI analystics.. The world get more and more sadisdic and the risk of a war and endless war is increasing.
Unfortunately not surprised. Ableism in recruitment* is rife, so this is art reflecting life.CHATGPT an ableist?
ChatGPT is biased against resumes with credentials that imply a disability—but it can improve
While seeking research internships last year, University of Washington graduate student Kate Glazko noticed recruiters posting online that they'd used OpenAI's ChatGPT and other artificial intelligence tools to summarize resumes and rank candidates. Automated screening has been commonplace in...
An interesting approach that I haven't seen tried would be to teach Chat-GPT and other LLMs that they must work within the law and then feed them the complete corpus of laws as a form of artificial morality.
* Also in everything that isn't recruitment, but especially in recruitment.
In one of the weirder, yet forum-related, manifestations of AI, Facebook keeps feeding me posts by random channels, though almost always LA based, that post purported ship-histories, often RN, that are clearly written by something with no understanding of the topic, often smooshing together multiple versions of the same ship. For instance this one on Ark Royal(s).
View: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0a7jtB7anudaEUrAqvYiLSy4WH4E5JgMVonoXY5C37qiEWsHrUBDiHXnS6fvZc4uVl&id=61554972477250
I can't decide if it's art, idiocy, or the Troll Factory misfiring.
(ETA: I don't think there's a single fact in this that's correct, except sadness at Ark R09's passing).
View: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0a7jtB7anudaEUrAqvYiLSy4WH4E5JgMVonoXY5C37qiEWsHrUBDiHXnS6fvZc4uVl&id=61554972477250
I can't decide if it's art, idiocy, or the Troll Factory misfiring.
(ETA: I don't think there's a single fact in this that's correct, except sadness at Ark R09's passing).
Last edited:
HR has an AI-powered disability problem - HR Magazine
Unless the unintended consequences of AI-powered HR technology are urgently addressed, hundreds of millions worldwide face lifetimes of economic and societal exclusion.
www.hrmagazine.co.uk
tldr: HR is increasingly dependent on AI assessment of CVs, a $38Bn industry, but there are multiple vectors for excluding disabled people that may be built into that AI and it's the HR departments, not the AI provider, who are likely to be liable.
You don't need an AI to tell that about me, just google my name
For some employment algorithms, disability discrimination by default | Brookings
Alex Engler considers how algorithms analyzing video of job interviews may discriminate against disabilities not represented in training data.
www.brookings.edu
This is the article I was actually looking for (or at least it hits all the same topics) when I came across the HR Magazine one above. It's fairly obvious from other stuff on the web that Hirevue are very sensitive about their portrayal WRT disability, and I found at least one article confirming they've been found to score candidates with a disability lower.
Too good not to quote:
"Scholar Jutta Treviranus recounts testing an AI model designed to guide autonomous vehicles, hoping to understand how it would perform when it encountered people who fell outside the norm and “did things unexpectedly.” To do this, she exposed the model to footage of a friend of hers who often propels herself backward in a wheelchair. Treviaranus recounts, “When I presented a capture of my friend to the learning models, they all chose to run her over. . . . I was told that the learning models were immature models that were not yet smart enough to recognize people in wheelchairs. . . . When I came back to test out the smarter models they ran her over with greater confidence."
https://ainowinstitute.org/publication/disabilitybiasai-2019 (page 12)
And referring to the Uber autonomous vehicle fatality in Tempe:
"A recent National Transportation Safety Board investigation found significant problems with Uber’s autonomous system, including its shocking failure to “recognize” pedestrians outside of crosswalks. The investigation also found that Uber’s system had a hard time classifying Herzberg: “When the car first detected her presence, 5.6 seconds before impact, it classified her as a vehicle. Then it changed its mind to ‘other,’ then to vehicle again, back to ‘other,’ then to bicycle, then to ‘other’ again, and finally back to bicycle.” Did the system misclassify Herzberg due to the presence of the bicycle? Would it similarly misclassify people on scooters and in wheelchairs?"
(Page 9)
"Scholar Jutta Treviranus recounts testing an AI model designed to guide autonomous vehicles, hoping to understand how it would perform when it encountered people who fell outside the norm and “did things unexpectedly.” To do this, she exposed the model to footage of a friend of hers who often propels herself backward in a wheelchair. Treviaranus recounts, “When I presented a capture of my friend to the learning models, they all chose to run her over. . . . I was told that the learning models were immature models that were not yet smart enough to recognize people in wheelchairs. . . . When I came back to test out the smarter models they ran her over with greater confidence."
https://ainowinstitute.org/publication/disabilitybiasai-2019 (page 12)
And referring to the Uber autonomous vehicle fatality in Tempe:
"A recent National Transportation Safety Board investigation found significant problems with Uber’s autonomous system, including its shocking failure to “recognize” pedestrians outside of crosswalks. The investigation also found that Uber’s system had a hard time classifying Herzberg: “When the car first detected her presence, 5.6 seconds before impact, it classified her as a vehicle. Then it changed its mind to ‘other,’ then to vehicle again, back to ‘other,’ then to bicycle, then to ‘other’ again, and finally back to bicycle.” Did the system misclassify Herzberg due to the presence of the bicycle? Would it similarly misclassify people on scooters and in wheelchairs?"
(Page 9)
southwestforests
ACCESS: Top Secret
McDonald's is ending its drive-thru AI test
The Chicago-based fast-food giant is ending its partnership with IBM on automated order-taking without an expansion. But McDonald’s still
www.restaurantbusinessonline.com
Forest Green
ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Honda Pilot on Permanent Autopilot (Controlled crash saves teen whose car suddenly sped up to 120 mph)
Nik
ACCESS: Top Secret
Came late to this thread...
Saw a recent, glum comment that the more complex an 'AI' gets, the more likely it is to lie.
My first thought, 'How HUMAN !!"
My second, "Hmm ? Is this a version of 'Uncanny Valley' effect ?"
Before computers became too complex, I used to code in 6502 assembler and a zoo of BASICs. I was not a good programmer, I was self-taught but wise enough to recognise, stay within my modest limits.
{ KISS, Renumber etc etc }
So, when I read that a self-driving car had failed to identify an obstacle and, while trying to resolve identification, collided., I was appalled.
Not just at the victim's unnecessary injuries, but the tunnel-vision of the AI's mentors.
WTF were they thinking ???
Back when I was just a scared teen, nervously taking to road in family car, negotiating a zoo of low-flying ijits of whom a scary percentage displayed kamikase tendencies, the primary rule of survival was crystal clear:
If in doubt, slow down.
This gave you a little more time to figure a 'Be NOT There' solution, or mitigate the misery.
That car got into an extended, un-trapped 'Error, Re-Try' loop when it should have failed safe, done better...
And, sadly, a lot of the current 'AI' issues seem to stem from a very similar lack of 'Joined Up Thinking'...
Saw a recent, glum comment that the more complex an 'AI' gets, the more likely it is to lie.
My first thought, 'How HUMAN !!"
My second, "Hmm ? Is this a version of 'Uncanny Valley' effect ?"
Before computers became too complex, I used to code in 6502 assembler and a zoo of BASICs. I was not a good programmer, I was self-taught but wise enough to recognise, stay within my modest limits.
{ KISS, Renumber etc etc }
So, when I read that a self-driving car had failed to identify an obstacle and, while trying to resolve identification, collided., I was appalled.
Not just at the victim's unnecessary injuries, but the tunnel-vision of the AI's mentors.
WTF were they thinking ???
Back when I was just a scared teen, nervously taking to road in family car, negotiating a zoo of low-flying ijits of whom a scary percentage displayed kamikase tendencies, the primary rule of survival was crystal clear:
If in doubt, slow down.
This gave you a little more time to figure a 'Be NOT There' solution, or mitigate the misery.
That car got into an extended, un-trapped 'Error, Re-Try' loop when it should have failed safe, done better...
And, sadly, a lot of the current 'AI' issues seem to stem from a very similar lack of 'Joined Up Thinking'...
Forest Green
ACCESS: Above Top Secret
How the Army is using AI during Hurricane Helene relief
The system is helping responders make quick decisions, such as where to send medical supplies or how many truckloads of water to take into certain areas.
www.defensenews.com
Depressing reading.
amp.theguardian.com
AI-generated child sexual abuse imagery reaching ‘tipping point’, says watchdog | Artificial intelligence (AI) | The Guardian
Internet Watch Foundation says illegal AI-made content is becoming more prevalent on open web with high level of sophistication
Forest Green
ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Silicon Valley Takes AGI Seriously—Washington Should Too
Artificial generative intelligence is no longer a distant speculation—it's an impending reality that carries enormous risk.
Forest Green
ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Exploring ethical dimensions of aware AI in Uppsala
Paris, France (SPX) Jan 22, 2025 - Artificially intelligent systems are increasingly prevalent in our daily lives, from automated vehicles to delivery robots and virtual assistants. As research shifts towards developing systems with
www.spacewar.com
Stargate is going to need huge amounts of energy and water to cool the data centers, I understand the political expediency of developing the first phase in Texas because of low taxes, but I think it would have been better to use the low temperatures of the rust states, the water of the great lakes and the need for jobs that exist in that area. I think the future of this new technology will depend on the development of more advanced equipment that doesn't generate as much heat, I guess something based on quantum physics. Nor does it seem safe to me to entrust the entire project to a large single Soviet-style facility, I think it would be better to have a large underground network of small data centers linked by fiber optics and protected from the wrath of the sun.
Forest Green
ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Selective truths.
View: https://x.com/KyleJGlen/status/1883968411556069853
Deepseek when you ask about China:
View: https://x.com/KyleJGlen/status/1883968411556069853
Deepseek when you ask about China:
Last edited:
0cu0
I rlleay shloud cahnge my peroasnl txet
Apparently the offline/local version of deepseek could be different in this matter.
View: https://youtu.be/r3TpcHebtxM?feature=shared&t=261
Forest Green
ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Forest Green
ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Purloined from where?
Forest Green
ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Forest Green
ACCESS: Above Top Secret
Russian disinformation 'infects' AI chatbots, researchers warn
Washington (AFP) Mar 10, 2025 - A sprawling Russian disinformation network is manipulating Western AI chatbots to spew pro-Kremlin propaganda, researchers say, at a time when the United States is reported to have paused its cyber operations against Moscow.
www.spacewar.com
He has a swollen In a Gadda De Vida or otherwise known as a Five Head.
Новости и аналитика России и мира сегодня - Правда.Ру
Новости и аналитика - два главных продукта создают с начала 1999 года сотрудники Правды.Ру. Новости, репортажи, интервью, видео по актуальным новостным событиям
AI and uncertainty
martinbayer
ACCESS: Top Secret
I really *do* hope that this is not a serious question, but I understand you're from Russia - please correct me if I'm wrong?
Just reading that the current administration wants green card applicants already legally in the US to hand over social media profiles, pretty sure AI will be used to profile those accounts, the good, the bad and the ugly.
www.independent.co.uk
Maybe not a civilisation level event but pretty sure it is not going to end well, opens up a can of worms as all the social media companies are US and so where will the "long arm" stop?
Regards,
Trump wants green card applicants legally in US to hand over social media profiles
USCIS said the vetting of social media accounts is necessary for “the enhanced identity verification, vetting and national security screening.” Critics say it crushes free speech
www.independent.co.uk
Maybe not a civilisation level event but pretty sure it is not going to end well, opens up a can of worms as all the social media companies are US and so where will the "long arm" stop?
Regards,
Last edited:
Similar threads
-
-
AN ASSESSMENT OF REMOTELY OPERATED VEHICLES TO SUPPORT THE AEAS PROGRAM...- Started by Grey Havoc
- Replies: 0
-
Doctors KILLED the father of astronautics, Sergei Korolev, on the operating table.- Started by LoveFromRussia
- Replies: 2
-
Davos Doom-mongers herald a new dark age for climate science
- Started by Grey Havoc
- Replies: 10
-
Russian crackdown on the dissemination of space information
- Started by greenmartian2017
- Replies: 8