The Hound Dog for NATO

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This one is not really feasible but it does produce some interesting models or artwork.
The USAF had its Hound Dogs in service from the Cuban Missile Crisis well into the 70s.
If politics and other considerations had not got in the way, permutations of NATO Hound might have served on the following aircraft, giving SACEUR a credible nuclear force in Europe:
RAF Vulcans and TSR2s
French AF Mirage IVs
Canadian FB105 Arrows

Crazy I know...
 

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Not sure the tiny Mirage IVA could drag something as big as a Hound Dog. The Mirage IVB might be a different matter.
 

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When JFK encountered PM Macmillan's domestic political problems from cancellation of Skybolt he offered Hound Dog for Vulcan. SecDef McNamara had chopped Skybolt because it added nothing to his quiver (B-58B ditto) - HD was good enough, proven, affordable (he bought >700 of them!) So why did Mac not accept with alacrity? We now know he was disposed to letting the Deterrent Task lapse after Vulcans ran out of hours, early-1970s, so declined to move Skybolt onto VC10s.

I suggest the answer was his surprise at his Party's hostile reaction to loss of the Bomb. Macho, Power, influence, top table. So: grab Polaris quick on favourable terms, exploiting JFK's embarrassment.
 
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I would suggest that because Hound Dog would at best of been a sticking plaster to keep the V-Force viable while Polaris offered a better longer-term solution.
 

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This one is not really feasible but it does produce some interesting models or artwork.
The USAF had its Hound Dogs in service from the Cuban Missile Crisis well into the 70s.
If politics and other considerations had not got in the way, permutations of NATO Hound might have served on the following aircraft, giving SACEUR a credible nuclear force in Europe:
RAF Vulcans and TSR2s
French AF Mirage IVs
Canadian FB105 Arrows

Crazy I know...

No way would an Arrow be able to carry a Hound Dog.
 

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The V bombers were unable to carry Hound Dog since the ground clearance on the bombers was totally inadequate.
The B52 was a high wing aircraft.
 

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This one is not really feasible but it does produce some interesting models or artwork.
The USAF had its Hound Dogs in service from the Cuban Missile Crisis well into the 70s.
If politics and other considerations had not got in the way, permutations of NATO Hound might have served on the following aircraft, giving SACEUR a credible nuclear force in Europe:
RAF Vulcans and TSR2s
French AF Mirage IVs
Canadian FB105 Arrows

Crazy I know...

No way would an Arrow be able to carry a Hound Dog.

By contrast a Skybolt might fit semi-conformally under the belly... NOT in the bay of course.
 

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The V bombers were unable to carry Hound Dog since the ground clearance on the bombers was totally inadequate.
The B52 was a high wing aircraft.

That might be true of the Handley Page Victor but it was not true of the Vulcan. The Vulcan had a massive amount of ground clearance compared to the B-52.
 

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The V bombers were unable to carry Hound Dog since the ground clearance on the bombers was totally inadequate.
The B52 was a high wing aircraft.

That might be true of the Handley Page Victor but it was not true of the Vulcan. The Vulcan had a massive amount of ground clearance compared to the B-52.

Between the fuselage and the ground yes, but between the bottom of the wing and the ground? That's the critical part.
 

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The V bombers were unable to carry Hound Dog since the ground clearance on the bombers was totally inadequate.
The B52 was a high wing aircraft.

That might be true of the Handley Page Victor but it was not true of the Vulcan. The Vulcan had a massive amount of ground clearance compared to the B-52.

Between the fuselage and the ground yes, but between the bottom of the wing and the ground? That's the critical part.

Is approximately 12 feet under the wing sufficient? It was approximately 8 feet under the fuselage
 

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You have to take into consideration that AGM-28 was specific in that the pylon was part of the weapon system, a complex structure because it transferred the thrust loads to the B-52 wing and full of equipment and plumbing because the missile's tanks were connected with the aircraft's tanks. The pylon was not part of the B-52 structure. The missiles were removed from aircraft with the pylon attached and shipped the same for IRAN to Tinker AFB. Also the front part of the pylon had to be clear from any aircraft structure above it and to have a good field of vision upwards because it contained a Kollsman Instruments star-tracker (on top) to update the missile's NAA Autonetics N5G INS prior to launch.

Both are relatively minor problems which I don't doubt that the British aircraft industry could have surmounted. Yes, the pylons would have been different. Yes, they would have attached in a different location, neither however would have produced insurmountable problems. It the will is there, there is always a way.
 

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Don't know why I didn't posted that before... Hound Dog was one option considered for NATO MLF between 1959 and 1963 - along with Minuteman, Skybolt and Polaris variants.
 

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and what about launching the Hound Dog with rocket booster ala ZELL ?
 
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