TAI TF-X / Milli Muharip Uçak MMU Kaan

Radonislav said:
They are different, one is clearly a mock-up and the newer one looks to be a test article of some kind at least. Also the size seems to be around 1m², which matches the main array for 600A
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Also, regarding the radars. My bet is that the main array has bricks and sides/back are patches. Hell it might even be that the side arrays are Murad-100A's and the back array is a smaller 100A
 
Radonislav said:
Also, regarding the radars. My bet is that the main array has bricks and sides/back are patches. Hell it might even be that the side arrays are Murad-100A's and the back array is a smaller 100A
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there's a back array? I though it had 270deg radar coverage and not full 360?
 
snne said:
You and I both know that this is an early mockup of the MURAD-600A from around 2021, yet you keep randomly posting not only that aperture mockup but also photos of the HMD, even though there are no new developments to justify posting them.

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That's MURAD 110A
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So don't know what you're on about, but okay :)
 
Turkish Aerospace GM Mehmet Demiroğlu:

– The second and third phase official signatures for the Indonesian KAANs (Finance, Training, Maintenance, etc.) will be signed in 2026

– P1 will make its first flight around May-June 2026.

– We plan to bring the second prototype to the testing phase by the end of this year, and the third prototype either by the end of this year or at the beginning of next year. The prototypes have an approximate 2-3 month on-site testing process.

– The delivery target for Kaan was set for the end of 2028, but due to the delays experienced, it is now anticipated that entry into the inventory will begin in early 2029.
– The official order for the first 20 Kaan is expected to be placed soon.

– In Blocks 10/20, 20–40 aircraft will be produced with the F110. Once the domestic engine is ready, it will be integrated into the platform. 3–5 month delays are normal in projects of this scale; the main plan has not changed.

- Work for the 6th generation has already begun.

– Towards the end of Kaan Block 20, together with the indigenous engine, we can speak of a 5.5 generation level.

– With the indigenous engine coming online, all infrastructure and concepts for the 6th generation will be ready within a few years.
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View: https://youtu.be/LzyzFgasi9c?si=70t5spfnGzDve85k


Kinda rehashes, at large, what’s already been made public, but gives a minor update on the status of P2 and reveals that the Block 10 order is expected soon.

Block 20 (not B30) being 5.5-gen level (or close to) means Block 30 with indigenous engines will be proper 5.5th gen as expected, on the same level as FCAS or GCAP.

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Somebody has to do something about educating these journalists, they keep asking stupid questions…
 
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snne said:
Block 20 (not B30) being 5.5-gen level (or close to) means Block 30 with indigenous engines will be proper 5.5th gen as expected, on the same level as FCAS or GCAP.
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Is KAAN block 30 designed with 2MW power generation in mind?

What’s with the grouping of FCAS and GCAP down to 5.5gen? Sounds like the same crap trolls like to do with diminishing Su-57 down to 4.5gen.
 
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Nx4eu said:
Is KAAN block 30 designed with 2MW power generation in mind?

What’s with the grouping of FCAS and GCAP down to 5.5gen? Sounds like the same crap trolls like to do with pulling the Su-57 down to 4.5gen.
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Sure, MW-level power generation is an inherent characteristic of 6th-gen designs, but that alone doesn’t make a design 6th generation. And how much of that capacity will be reserved for the main radar is another matter.

Vertical tails have a significant impact on broadband and all-aspect LO-ity.

AFAIK, the first Blocks/Variants of both the FCAS and the GCAP will come with GaN radars, whereas the Chinese designs (and probably the American designs as well) will come with GaO/Diamond, even the J-20A will likely be equipped with it. OTOH, all Turkish airborne radars, including the Kaan's MURAD-600A, are based on GaN.

So, I don't see a huge gap between European "6th gens" and the Kaan post-2030.
 
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Nart said:
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If I’m not mistaken, this is a render of the P1 during assembly:

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What is APAJ?

APAJ is described as an intelligent fixture system that performs automatic positioning and alignment operations of main components, consisting of structural and system parts, both before and during assembly, via a digitally controlled infrastructure. The system utilizes multi-axis servo-controlled actuators, laser-based tracking sensors, a real-time closed-loop control algorithm, and measurement feedback to automatically correct and position component geometries by comparing them to CAD models. Positioning accuracy can reach repeatability levels below ±0.1 millimeters, and the system's performance is defined by the root mean square (RMS) position error parameter. RMS, the square of the statistical average of the positional differences measured in each axis, indicates the overall alignment stability of the system. Operating in the micron range, this system ensures surface integrity and assembly precision.
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Source: TAI Magazine 143

www.tusas.com

Dergi - TUSAS

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www.tusas.com www.tusas.com
 
snne said:
If I’m not mistaken, this is a render of the P1 during assembly:

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Source: TAI Magazine 143

www.tusas.com

Dergi - TUSAS

Dergi
www.tusas.com www.tusas.com
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On one of the pages it shows roughly where the gens located along with APU
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Page 56 - On TRMOTOR contributions to APU and TF35000 engine

"Turkey’s First Domestic Auxiliary Power System APU-60
Turkey’s first domestically and nationally developed APU-60 is planned to undergo its initial integration in 2026. The APU-60 provides the necessary power before starting the aircraft’s main engines, handling critical tasks such as activating climate control and avionics systems. While the system’s testing phases continue, its integration with KAAN will also expand Turkey’s capability pool in this field."

"TRMOTOR contributes to strengthening Turkey’s national testing infrastructure capabilities in engine technologies through its testing and validation ecosystem established in Ankara, Eskişehir, and Kocaeli. Focusing on university-industry collaborations in efforts to acquire new test rigs for testing engine projects, TRMOTOR will continue its testing activities at the Subsystems Center of Excellence at Gebze Technical University and the combustion and flow laboratory completed at Middle East Technical University (METU).

This broad scope, extending from combustion and flow studies, compressor and combustion chamber tests, to APU assembly-instrumentation processes and system-level test setups for the main engine such as gearboxes / lubrication / fuel / activation, aims to both increase product reliability and accelerate the development cycle."
 
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Combat-Master said:
On one of the pages it shows roughly where the gens located along with APU
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Page 56 - On TRMOTOR contributions to APU and TF35000 engine

"Turkey’s First Domestic Auxiliary Power System APU-60
Turkey’s first domestically and nationally developed APU-60 is planned to undergo its initial integration in 2026. The APU-60 provides the necessary power before starting the aircraft’s main engines, handling critical tasks such as activating climate control and avionics systems. While the system’s testing phases continue, its integration with KAAN will also expand Turkey’s capability pool in this field."

"TRMOTOR contributes to strengthening Turkey’s national testing infrastructure capabilities in engine technologies through its testing and validation ecosystem established in Ankara, Eskişehir, and Kocaeli. Focusing on university-industry collaborations in efforts to acquire new test rigs for testing engine projects, TRMOTOR will continue its testing activities at the Subsystems Center of Excellence at Gebze Technical University and the combustion and flow laboratory completed at Middle East Technical University (METU).

This broad scope, extending from combustion and flow studies, compressor and combustion chamber tests, to APU assembly-instrumentation processes and system-level test setups for the main engine such as gearboxes / lubrication / fuel / activation, aims to both increase product reliability and accelerate the development cycle."
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We knew that for two three years already though...

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Umigami said:
I thought they try to put them on the sides?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1999813878595678688
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The first one is just a plastic looking ass model, which could’ve been one of many models they used to simulate different configurations. That's just it, there's legitimately nothing else to it.

The second one is just some shitty AI-slop generated by the PR staff of a defence-fair, churned out by using photos of the GTU-0 and the F-35.

Whereas we have an actual bulkhead of the P1 photographed, showing them on the engine nacelles.

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The GTU-0 tech demo/engineering prototype was also assembled just before the CD-Review took place, so it’s actually a no-brainer that the final design looks 99% the same. It was built essentially as a “shell of an aircraft” so the team could test the physical aspects of the internal "packaging" and see if anything needed changing.

No well-informed member here ever suggested they were going to “put them on the side.” That was just something some less-informed members suggested so the aircraft would look prettier to the eye. (they wouldn't admit this part out loud though)

Now; can we finally put this matter to rest, people??

Edit: And @TR_Tech regularly presents his bullshit opinions as "facts", stop quoting him guys...
 
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dunno about you guys but the artwork below doesn't really match the model above, especially the tail
 
helmutkohl said:
dunno about you guys but the artwork below doesn't really match the model above, especially the tail
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Not sure if you’ve noticed, but people who treat this crappy AI-generated PR poster as legit never tend to share the full image... Funny how that works :D

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snne said:
The second one is just some shitty AI-slop generated by the PR staff of a defence-fair, churned out by using photos of the GTU-0 and the F-35.
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@TR_Tech is a dumbass, and the fact that people still quote him is completely ridiculous. This act should honestly be banned outright.
 
Bounce said:
Looks like the intakes have been pushed further back now, nice.
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Not by much though...

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The GTU-0/P0 tech demo/engineering prototype was also assembled just before the CD-Review took place, so it’s actually a no-brainer that the final design looks 99% the same. It was built essentially as a “shell of an aircraft” so the team could test the physical aspects of the internal "packaging" and see if anything needed changing.
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NMaude said:
At a quick casual glance they look both the same but you have to pay close attention to see the differences.
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To me, these are the same type of remarks that end up creating horrendous statements like the "J-20 and MiG 1.44 look alike" or the "F-15 looks like the MiG-25". Sorry that I'm getting overworked on this but this is a big pet peeve of mine, when people look at vaguely similar shapes if you have cataracts and squint => oh wow they look exactly alike.
 
NMaude said:
They do not look alike.
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To me the KAAN looks as different from the F-22, than the J-20 does from the MiG-1.44 and the F-15 does from the MiG-25. So the point is moot, everyone has different opinions. I call out similar behavior when one compares those aircrafts if I determine they aren't online trolls.
NMaude said:
From the front they do look very similar, you have to pay close attention.
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Their only frontal similarities are caret intakes and stealth shaping.. And the carets aren't even the same shape, nor is the fuselage design. To me, that's no different than saying the Su-27 and F-14 tomcat look the same from the front because they both have separated engine nacelles, and the fuselages are round.. Completely ridiculous. No wonder people say the J-20 is a F-22/F-35 copy..

I like to say the F-22 is more shape purist to the rhombus like the Su-27 is to the oval. F-14 and KAAN are fat blobs. When the aircrafts are dumbed down to their simplest forms with no details, they still look so drastically different.
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Nx4eu said:
To me the KAAN looks as different from the F-22, than the J-20 does from the MiG-1.44 and the F-15 does from the MiG-25. So the point is moot, everyone has different opinions. I call out similar behavior when one compares those aircrafts if I determine they aren't online trolls.

Their only frontal similarities are caret intakes and stealth shaping.. And the carets aren't even the same shape, nor is the fuselage design. To me, that's no different than saying the Su-27 and F-14 tomcat look the same from the front because they both have separated engine nacelles, and the fuselages are round.. Completely ridiculous. No wonder people say the J-20 is a F-22/F-35 copy..

I like to say the F-22 is more shape purist to the rhombus like the Su-27 is to the oval. F-14 and KAAN are fat blobs. When the aircrafts are dumbed down to their simplest forms with no details, they still look so drastically different.
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Hats off to you
 
Aselsan working on GaN-on-SiC technology for X-band AESA radar applications:

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(the J-20A is highly likely to be the first aircraft to field it)

The BÜRFİS suite is going to incorporate GaN technology; however, it is almost certain that the Kaan will receive a radar upgrade a few years into its production run.

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HOLY SHIT THEY FINALLY REVEALED THE P1 & P2 TO THE PUBLIC!!!!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

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Edit: Looks like they’re installing the actual sensors this time, i.e., no placeholders (right on schedule)!!

(Sans the radome, I bet they’ll install the radar and swap out the radome when it’s time to test the FCR.)
 
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