but I'd want to make sure that there were a couple dozen engines allowed for flight testing till the Turkish engines are available.
There are currently 10 engines at TAI for testing (for 5 flightworthy prototypes + 1 ground test unit) , which were approved by the Congress back in 2017.

The new engine license that the Congress has put on hold applies to the initial 20 production aircraft (i.e., the Block 10). Subsequent blocks are planned to use the indigenous engine, including the Indonesian Block 30 ones scheduled for delivery between 2032 and 2035. That said, you never know if there will be delays in the certification process by the time Block 20 airframes are ready and waiting for their engines.

The Block 10 (units with software-blocked IWBs and no RAM coatings) is scheduled for delivery within three years (and built even earlier), so it’s about time this issue is resolved.
 
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So long story short unless Turkey swallows their pride and makes some major concessions that satisfy Congress their flagship KAAN program is facing serious long term problems ? I just can't see them switching to another powerplant at this point, the redesign to accomodate it could delay the program by years and cause further political headaches if they team up with either the Russians or Chinese. I also think the timetable they are giving regarding the development of a domestic alternative is hopelessly optimistic.
 
So long story short unless Turkey swallows their pride and makes some major concessions that satisfy Congress their flagship KAAN program is facing serious long term problems ? I just can't see them switching to another powerplant at this point, the redesign to accomodate it could delay the program by years and cause further political headaches if they team up with either the Russians or Chinese. I also think the timetable they are giving regarding the development of a domestic alternative is hopelessly optimistic.
Only the Block 10 birds, however many of those they plan to make.

I suspect that some creative descriptions of the Block 10s might allow you to get 20something airframes as "flight test examples" with engines under the original agreement. See also F-14 original plans, where there were only supposed to be 13-to-69 F-14As, to be upgraded to -Bs once the F401 engines were available. Edit: and the F-14As were supposed to be Full Scale Development aircraft more than front-line fighters.
 
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So long story short unless Turkey swallows their pride and makes some major concessions that satisfy Congress their flagship KAAN program is facing serious long term problems ? I just can't see them switching to another powerplant at this point, the redesign to accomodate it could delay the program by years and cause further political headaches if they team up with either the Russians or Chinese. I also think the timetable they are giving regarding the development of a domestic alternative is hopelessly optimistic.


“The serial production of KAAN was planned with domestic engines, not foreign ones. Development activities for the main engine TF35000 and the auxiliary power unit APU60 for the KAAN fighter jet are progressing successfully.

This is how the process always works in the defense industry. It starts with existing engines, and then national engine projects are initiated.We are producing KAAN using a block approach. This means we are gradually developing it by introducing versions with different capabilities at various stages into the inventory.

In this context, there is no delay in the delivery schedule of our KAAN fighter jet. To avoid risking our serial production, we are not relying on a single source; we are working with different supply channels and evaluating alternatives simultaneously. This way, we both secure the timeline and advance our roadmap for developing national engines without interruption.

The future of KAAN is in no way dependent on the engines of a single country. We trust our engineers. The serial production process for TF35000 is proceeding as planned.All necessary engines for the KAAN prototype aircraft have been procured and delivered to Türkiye. The production of our prototype aircraft is continuing at full speed.

The official application process to the United States for the engine supply required for the first block of a certain number of KAAN serial aircraft to be delivered to our Air Force Command has been completed.

The development activities for our domestic engine, which is needed for our KAAN aircraft to achieve sixth-generation advanced capabilities, are continuing according to the planned schedule. At this stage, we are not pursuing any foreign alternative options.

If necessary, it is possible to change the engine for the first block. While this may lead to some engineering development needs, aircraft design and development activities, as is the case worldwide, inherently involve continuous iteration and change management. In such a case, I do not believe we will face a significant scheduling disadvantage. This is because we manage our projects with an Agile Systems Engineering approach. However, as I mentioned, our final serial production aircraft will fly with domestic engines.“There was a delay, but significant progress has been made in 2 years” There was indeed a delay, and this was the first issue I addressed. Now, responsibilities and timelines are clear. All companies involved are fulfilling their duties on time, and the SSB Engine Department is closely monitoring the process. Significant progress has been made over the past 2 years.

Considering that the TF6000 turbofan engine developed for ANKA-III was successfully started for the first time, development work for TF10000 for KIZILELMA is ongoing, and the development activities for the main engine TF35000 and the auxiliary power unit APU60 for the KAAN fighter jet are progressing as planned, it is clear that considerable progress has been made in the engine field, and we can look to the future with confidence.

The 48 fifth-generation KAAN fighter jets planned for export to Indonesia will be powered by our national engines, not US-origin engines.

Finally, I would like to emphasize that we trust our engineers in this sacred cause. With the leadership and support of our President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, we are working with all our strength to bring KAAN and its domestic engine to our country using local and national capabilities.”


- Defense Industry (SSB) President Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün link
 
“The serial production of KAAN was planned with domestic engines, not foreign ones. Development activities for the main engine TF35000 and the auxiliary power unit APU60 for the KAAN fighter jet are progressing successfully.

This is how the process always works in the defense industry. It starts with existing engines, and then national engine projects are initiated.We are producing KAAN using a block approach. This means we are gradually developing it by introducing versions with different capabilities at various stages into the inventory.

In this context, there is no delay in the delivery schedule of our KAAN fighter jet. To avoid risking our serial production, we are not relying on a single source; we are working with different supply channels and evaluating alternatives simultaneously. This way, we both secure the timeline and advance our roadmap for developing national engines without interruption.

The future of KAAN is in no way dependent on the engines of a single country. We trust our engineers. The serial production process for TF35000 is proceeding as planned.All necessary engines for the KAAN prototype aircraft have been procured and delivered to Türkiye. The production of our prototype aircraft is continuing at full speed.

The official application process to the United States for the engine supply required for the first block of a certain number of KAAN serial aircraft to be delivered to our Air Force Command has been completed.

The development activities for our domestic engine, which is needed for our KAAN aircraft to achieve sixth-generation advanced capabilities, are continuing according to the planned schedule. At this stage, we are not pursuing any foreign alternative options.

If necessary, it is possible to change the engine for the first block. While this may lead to some engineering development needs, aircraft design and development activities, as is the case worldwide, inherently involve continuous iteration and change management. In such a case, I do not believe we will face a significant scheduling disadvantage. This is because we manage our projects with an Agile Systems Engineering approach. However, as I mentioned, our final serial production aircraft will fly with domestic engines.“There was a delay, but significant progress has been made in 2 years” There was indeed a delay, and this was the first issue I addressed. Now, responsibilities and timelines are clear. All companies involved are fulfilling their duties on time, and the SSB Engine Department is closely monitoring the process. Significant progress has been made over the past 2 years.

Considering that the TF6000 turbofan engine developed for ANKA-III was successfully started for the first time, development work for TF10000 for KIZILELMA is ongoing, and the development activities for the main engine TF35000 and the auxiliary power unit APU60 for the KAAN fighter jet are progressing as planned, it is clear that considerable progress has been made in the engine field, and we can look to the future with confidence.

The 48 fifth-generation KAAN fighter jets planned for export to Indonesia will be powered by our national engines, not US-origin engines.

Finally, I would like to emphasize that we trust our engineers in this sacred cause. With the leadership and support of our President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, we are working with all our strength to bring KAAN and its domestic engine to our country using local and national capabilities.”


- Defense Industry (SSB) President Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün link
He's doing damage control...
 
"don't you worry my dear fellow citizens, we are using this new fancy technique called agile system engineering. With this, we can accommodate every possible change during the designing process. And by the way, the timeline and outcome is also fixed”
But I really think they will get some aircraft into the air as block 10s.
Firstly you redefine them as “advanced flying prototypes” and repurpose the 10 engines you already have for testing. (see Scott Kennys idea)
For the remaining 5 Kaans (I would aim at 10 in total for a squadron) you roll out some “very very early” testing engines of the TF35000 which are strangely similar to F110-GE-129s.
And you don’t let patent attorneys anywhere near them.

Edit for GTX: So lets see if some ownership changes will happen at TEI.
 
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Remember that Tusaş Engine Industries (TEI) is a bit over 40% owned by GE. I suspect that more than a bit of GE IP is used to create their products such as the TF35000. It is also highly likely that any restrictions on engine sales will also limit this support. And remember that Gas Turbine Technology falls under the USML and thus would likely require ITAR approval for sharing.
 
I think whipping up an interim engine, such as a heavily modified f110, in a short period of like 2 years(which is possible because tei produced f110s back in the day and can set the production line up again) is the solution for ongoing f110 crisis
 
I think whipping up an interim engine, such as a heavily modified f110, in a short period of like 2 years(which is possible because tei produced f110s back in the day and can set the production line up again) is the solution for ongoing f110 crisis
Many of the technical resources that were available back then are no longer so, though. The current government has burnt a lot of bridges.
 
I suspect that more than a bit of GE IP is used to create their products such as the TF35000.
I don’t know what else to tell you, the head of TEI alone has said it thousands of times: the TF35000 is to be entirely indigenous just like how the TS1400 or the TF6k/10k are.
 
I think whipping up an interim engine, such as a heavily modified f110, in a short period of like 2 years(which is possible because tei produced f110s back in the day and can set the production line up again) is the solution for ongoing f110 crisis
Back in 2017, TEI had actually offered to complete the development of an F110 equivalent within 15 years. (But that was a different TEI to today's).

According to the CEO, they essentially built a scaled-down version of the TF35000; using the TF6000/10000 to build the technologies incorporated into the TF35000.
 
Guys ... calm down and please refrain from posting political stuff! Anyway - as I noted already so often and for what I was bashed more than enough by always the same ones ;) - Turkey maybe learns again the hard way that it is not that easy to develop a working high-end turbofan engine and while being reliant to an interim engine, it should be wise to keep calm, since otherwise such - IMO - overambitious plans to have the own powerplant ready by 2030 may fall apart very quickly!

Therefore let's wait and see both how politics develop and even more how development of the TF35000 will progress.
 
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Guys ... calm down and please refrain from posting political stuff! Anyway - as I noted already so often and for what I was bashed more than enough by always the same ones ;) - Turkey maybe learns again the hard way that it is not that easy to develop a working high-end turbofan engine and while being reliant to an interim engine, it should be wise to keep calm, since otherwise such - IMO - overambitious plans to have the own powerplant ready by 2030 may fall apart very quickly!

Therefore let's wait and see both how politics develop and even more how development of the TF35000 will progress.
we don't have any timeline provided for TF35000 other than its integration into the aircraft in 2032. no info on prototype building start, first firing test or delivery timeline. when pressed, the TEI CEO often tells the reporters that it took europeans(with much more experience) 17 years to develop EJ200 and we will take less for TF35000. that's a pretty vague statement but he tries, as best as he can, to manage the expectations.

however, we(forum members) give too much attention to KAAN's engine when the focus should be on TF6000/10000. That engine will tell if we're cut out for this job or not. if there are delays with TF6000, then you can be sure TF35000 won't materialize before 2035.
 
we don't have any timeline provided for TF35000 other than its integration into the aircraft in 2032. no info on prototype building start, first firing test or delivery timeline. when pressed, the TEI CEO often tells the reporters that it took europeans(with much more experience) 17 years to develop EJ200 and we will take less for TF35000. that's a pretty vague statement but he tries, as best as he can, to manage the expectations.

however, we(forum members) give too much attention to KAAN's engine when the focus should be on TF6000/10000. That engine will tell if we're cut out for this job or not. if there are delays with TF6000, then you can be sure TF35000 won't materialize before 2035.
To be clear, when he said 'integration by 2032,' he was referring to serial production, supported by the fact that the Indonesian planes with Turkish indigenous engines are officially also scheduled to begin delivery in 2032. Additionally, the official delivery timeline for the Block 30 'with indigenous engines' has always been set for 2032.

According to the official timeline, in 2028, one of the prototypes is expected to conduct tests with a single TF35000 integrated.
 
According to the official timeline, in 2028, one of the prototypes is expected to conduct tests with a single TF35000 integrated.
this has no chance of happening but i would like to read up on it if you could provide a source for the official claim.
 
this has no chance of happening but i would like to read up on it if you could provide a source for the official claim.
Temel Kotil, a.k.a the previous head of TAI.

Original Text:
Milli muharip uçak’da kullanılacak motora ilişkin soru üzerine Kotil, “Planımız 2028’de KAAN’ı Türk motoruyla uçurmak. Bunun için çalışmalarımız sürüyor. Tabii ki sertifikasyon için 1-2 yıla tekrar ihtiyacımız olur. Ancak 2030’larda Türk motoru olacak. Şu anda F110 motoru ile uçuyoruz.” şeklinde konuştu.
English translation:
In response to a question about the engine to be used in the National Fighter Aircraft, Kotil said, "Our plan is to fly KAAN with a Turkish engine in 2028. We are continuing our work for this. Of course, we will need another 1-2 years for certification. However, by the 2030s, it will be a Turkish engine. Right now, we are flying with the F110 engine.

https://haber.aero/savunma/milli-mu...la-2028de-havalanacak/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Original Text:
Kotil, “Cumhurbaşkanımızın talimatı 2028 yılında 20 tane Hava Kuvvetleri'ne teslim ediyoruz. Ondan sonra sekiz tane daha yapıyoruz. Sonra bir tane daha yapıyoruz. O bir tanenin üzerinde 2028 yılında Türk motoru olacak. Onun için yapıyoruz. Türk motoru da yapılıyor. Bizim gencimiz 10 numara. İsterseniz başarırsınız” şeklinde konuştu.

English translation:
...After that, we will produce eight more, followed by one additional aircraft. The Turkish engine will be on that single aircraft in 2028. That’s why we’re doing it. The Turkish engine is currently being developed. Our young talent is top-notch. If you set your mind to it, you can succeed.”

https://www.dunya.com/gundem/tusas-...rinde-2028te-turk-motoru-olacak-haberi-728958

Original:
Bunun yanında şirket 2029 yılına kadar yerli motorla uçacak bir prototip geliştirmeyi de planlamakta. Bu çerçevede ilk uçuş denemelerinin bir tarafında F110, diğer tarafında yerli motor bulunan bir KAAN’da yapılabilmesi şirketin ana hedeflerinden birisi.
English Translation:
Additionally, the company plans to develop a prototype that will fly with the indigenous engine by 2029. One of the main goals of the company is to conduct the first flight tests with a KAAN, where one side is equipped with the F110 engine and the other side with the indigenous engine.
https://www.defenceturk.net/disisle...ri-ve-kaanda-son-durum?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Emphasizing the need for the national combat aircraft KAAN to be 100% indigenous for the security of our country, Kotil said, "We are also manufacturing the engine; we have to. Hopefully, by 2028-2029, we will fly KAAN with our engine. In such a crucial technology, we cannot be dependent on any other country."
https://www.turkiyetoday.com/turkiy...y-2028-says-kotil-1804?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Demiroğlu:
TF-35000’s conceptual design phase is nearly complete … Ground testing is scheduled for 2026, hybrid prototype testing for 2029 and full engine integration into production aircraft in 2032.
https://www.turkishminute.com/2025/...n-in-kaan-fighter-jet/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

I can pull up more quotes if you give me some time.

Moreover, this entire thread is essentially an encyclopedia of every tiny detail about this project. If you go back a couple of dozen pages, you'll find anything you're looking for.


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Besides, the Block 30 (i.e. the ultimate version) has always been intended to be equipped with the indigenous engine and delivered by 2032. The fact that Indonesian deliveries in 2032 will also officially come with Turkish engines further supports this.
 
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Temel Kotil, a.k.a the previous head of TAI.

Original Text:

English translation:


https://haber.aero/savunma/milli-mu...la-2028de-havalanacak/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

I can pull up more quotes if you give me some time.

Moreover, this entire thread is essentially an encyclopedia of every tiny detail about this project. If you go back a couple of dozen pages, you'll find anything you're looking for.


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Besides, the Block 30 (i.e. the ultimate version) has always been intended to be equipped with the indigenous engine and delivered by 2032. The fact that Indonesian deliveries in 2032 will officially come with Turkish engines further supports this.
i was already aware of the Indonesian deal. the fact that they're, officially, aiming for 2032 for both engine integration and its first delivery confuses me. if there were no miscommunication, I'd say they aim for less than a year flight campaign for the engine before its delivery.

and please let us not quote Temel Kotil for any engine news. or for any news, for that matter. he's an eccentric character with his imaginative takes and ambitions. he was let go and we haven't heard any 2028 date for TF35000 after him.
 
and please let us not quote Temel Kotil for any engine news. or for any news, for that matter. he's an eccentric character with his imaginative takes and ambitions. he was let go and we haven't heard any 2028 date for TF35000 after him.
Demiroğlu has also stated similar things:

TF-35000’s conceptual design phase is nearly complete … Ground testing is scheduled for 2026, hybrid prototype testing for 2029 and full engine integration into production aircraft in 2032.
They don't mean that dual engine trials will commence in 2032; they mean the certification will be completed by 2032.


It doesn't help that most of the figures in the Turkish military-industrial complex love to say things that are open to many interpretations or misunderstandings (Temel Kotil in particular is infamous for this); but this has been one of the few clear things they've ever communicated to us.
 
source please
https://www.turkishminute.com/2025/...n-in-kaan-fighter-jet/?utm_source=chatgpt.com



Edit: Also take a look at this:

Here's a direct quote:


the flight schedule of the P1 got delayed by a quarter (but we already knew that):

Regarding the sale to Indonesia:

On additional export orders:


and please let us not quote Temel Kotil for any engine news. or for any news, for that matter. he's an eccentric character with his imaginative takes and ambitions
Whether you like him or not, Temel Kotil had been the General Manager of TAI (for 8 years!) and the leader who made this project come to fruition when most people here deemed it impossible. Therefore, his words mean much more to me than what you or I think.
 
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To quote the wise words of @Combat-Master :D :
The TF35000 program to develop a domestic engine for KAAN started in 2017, it's been 8 years, it'll be another 6-7 years until the engine is fully developed. Overall the engine development programme is 15 years - if what the GM is saying comes to fruition.

The context and knowing the history of the project is important.
 
Back in 2017, TEI had actually offered to complete the development of an F110 equivalent within 15 years. (But that was a different TEI to today's).

According to the CEO, they essentially built a scaled-down version of the TF35000; using the TF6000/10000 to build the technologies incorporated into the TF35000.
oh wow, i would like to learn more about this
 
I think whipping up an interim engine, such as a heavily modified f110, in a short period of like 2 years(which is possible because tei produced f110s back in the day and can set the production line up again) is the solution for ongoing f110 crisis
I have got news for you. Any TEI production would still have relied heavily on parts and tech support from GE. They cannot just "whip up production"
 
I don’t know what else to tell you, the head of TEI alone has said it thousands of times: the TF35000 is to be entirely indigenous just like how the TS1400 or the TF6k/10k are.
Sure, he may have said that but I can assure you that they will be using GE support. If you truly believe that a company that is over 40% owned by GE isn't using GE support to do this than I have a dozen bridges to sell you...
 
Sure, he may have said that but I can assure you that they will be using GE support. If you truly believe that a company that is over 40% owned by GE isn't using GE support to do this than I have a dozen bridges to sell you...
can you elaborate on this support? what are the things, in your opinion, TEI is getting from GE?
 
can you elaborate on this support? what are the things, in your opinion, TEI is getting from GE?

Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit, CEO of TEI he was a project manager and team lead at General Electrics Global Research facility for 10 years
 
It will be tech support of all sorts, probably a few key parts too.
so it's only a speculation on your part. it may very well be true, or may not be. TEI might be using some IP from GE in the form of capital machinery. Also semi-finished products like titanium alloys for blisks. A few years ago, TEI CEO said they're investing in a hydraulic-press that could do 12k tons to forge titanium and it would cost $200millions. I don't know if that project came to fruition. Things of these nature might be sourced from the existing infrastructure. But i very much doubt if TEI is getting any active support from GE. The engine project doesn't belong to TEI. It's entirely funded by Defense Industry Agency in Turkey.

You could take a look at this page to see some of TEI's involvement in turbine engine research( you could see the projects at the bottom)

 
so it's only a speculation on your part. it may very well be true, or may not be. TEI might be using some IP from GE in the form of capital machinery. Also semi-finished products like titanium alloys for blisks. A few years ago, TEI CEO said they're investing in a hydraulic-press that could do 12k tons to forge titanium and it would cost $200millions. I don't know if that project came to fruition. Things of these nature might be sourced from the existing infrastructure. But i very much doubt if TEI is getting any active support from GE. The engine project doesn't belong to TEI. It's entirely funded by Defense Industry Agency in Turkey.
20 odd years working in the industry and working closely with GE in particular on military engines...I am confident in my position. what's your experience? Also, if you truly think that TEI who is over 40% owned by GE is not taking advantage of that than again may I show you some bridges to buy... Finally, funding does not make any difference as to where the technology is coming from.
 
20 odd years working in the industry and working closely with GE in particular on military engines...I am confident in my position. what's your experience? Also, if you truly think that TEI who is over 40% owned by GE is not taking advantage of that than again may I show you some bridges to buy... Finally, funding does not make any difference as to where the technology is coming from.
the reason i asked "can you eloborate?" was to get an educated response since you have multiple times said they're getting support from GE. 20 years of experience could share some insights into the matter by which amateurs like myself learn from.

I did not reject your position and provided cases that prove its validity. And since you are a professional, you can expand our understanding with your direct experience(without selling bridges, preferably).
 

The main points:

"Turkey has signaled it is willing to compromise over the Russian S-400 missiles, though it is opposed to abandoning the hardware. Turkey could agree to a technical, joint military mechanism to supervise the missiles."

"The country’s efforts to develop its own high-performance military turbofans have made halting progress, with Tusas Engine Industries’ TF35000 facing snags in making the engine’s combustion chamber, turbine, nozzle, afterburner and exhaust, said the people, asking not to be identified because the topic is sensitive."

“The CAATSA issue is actually a major problem for us,” Although Turkey has assembled high-performance engines and components in the past, the lack of industrial experience in developing every element of such a complex system on its own has slowed the TF35000"

So the domestic engine will certainly not be ready by 2032. And there doesn't seem to be any plan B regarding alternative powerplants. Getting the U.S. to ease up on the export licenses is the only way forward. But as another poster mentioned, Turkey has burned a lot of bridges and has made powerful enemies in Congress.
 
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The main points:

"Turkey has signaled it is willing to compromise over the Russian S-400 missiles, though it is opposed to abandoning the hardware. Turkey could agree to a technical, joint military mechanism to supervise the missiles."

"The country’s efforts to develop its own high-performance military turbofans have made halting progress, with Tusas Engine Industries’ TF35000 facing snags in making the engine’s combustion chamber, turbine, nozzle, afterburner and exhaust, said the people, asking not to be identified because the topic is sensitive."

“The CAATSA issue is actually a major problem for us,” Although Turkey has assembled high-performance engines and components in the past, the lack of industrial experience in developing every element of such a complex system on its own has slowed the TF35000"

So the domestic engine will certainly not be ready by 2032. And there doesn't seem to be any plan B regarding alternative powerplants. Getting the U.S. to ease up on the export licenses is the only way forward. But as another poster mentioned, Turkey has burned a lot of bridges and has made powerful enemies in Congress.
Since the arrival of the S-400, Turkey has repeatedly offered to establish a joint military mechanism to supervise the system, but the American side has consistently refused this offer, and this part is nothing new. Beyond that, I couldn’t find a single factual piece of information in what you've shared.

Those who know me here know that I’ve spent the majority of my life following Turkish defense issues from an objective standpoint. Yet, even with my most objective, most realistic glasses on, I almost couldn't find any factual piece of information in what you've shared. It also relies on pure speculation without presenting any official quotes as sources.

There have been no indications of any actions Turkey will take regarding the F-35 issue. The only semi-indicator we've received comes from the US Ambassador Barrack, who mentioned that he expects the issue to be resolved by the end of the year.

Not to say there can be no delay to this project, but the indigenous engine will become a reality one way or the other. Contrary to what this article suggests (though "suggesting" is too weak a verb for what this article actually tries to portray), there has not even been the slightest speculation about a delay or halting progress. TEI has spent the past 15 years (or rather, 30+ years) building the necessary infrastructure, processes, and experience to ensure the success of this project. A quasi-scaled-down version of this engine has already materialized in the TF6000/10000, and it already incorporates many of the technologies that will be featured in the TF35000.

https://www.tei.com.tr/faaliyet-alanlari/motor-tasarim-ve-urun-gelistirme

Posting such low-value articles in this thread is quite insulting to our effort, really...


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They’re supposed to reach a major milestone next year, so why not just wait and see what happens?


Turkey has made powerful enemies in Congress.

LOL, as if these people haven’t been this corrupt or weren’t in the majority before :D

Joe Biden himself was blocking the FMS of Blackhawk helicopters to Turkey some-40 years ago...

They were blocking the sale of less than a dozen attack helicopters during the terror-ridden years of the 90s...
 
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By the way, this doesn’t affect the deal with Indonesia at all.

The agreement between Indonesia and Turkey and emphasises two thing. First KAAN has to be ITAR Free and second the engine has to be what Türkiye produces (TF-35000).

Basically, if Türkiye cannot deliver the KAAN with the specifications mentioned in the contract, then Indonesia can forfeit the deal.
So the whole F110 engines situation doesn’t matter to Indonesia.
 
Temel Kotil, a.k.a the previous head of TAI.

Original Text:

English translation:


https://haber.aero/savunma/milli-mu...la-2028de-havalanacak/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Original Text:


English translation:


https://www.dunya.com/gundem/tusas-...rinde-2028te-turk-motoru-olacak-haberi-728958

Original:

English Translation:

https://www.defenceturk.net/disisle...ri-ve-kaanda-son-durum?utm_source=chatgpt.com


https://www.turkiyetoday.com/turkiy...y-2028-says-kotil-1804?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Demiroğlu:

https://www.turkishminute.com/2025/...n-in-kaan-fighter-jet/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

I can pull up more quotes if you give me some time.

Moreover, this entire thread is essentially an encyclopedia of every tiny detail about this project. If you go back a couple of dozen pages, you'll find anything you're looking for.


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Besides, the Block 30 (i.e. the ultimate version) has always been intended to be equipped with the indigenous engine and delivered by 2032. The fact that Indonesian deliveries in 2032 will also officially come with Turkish engines further supports this.
The engine may officially have been under development since the early 2020s, but TEI has actually been working on it since 2017-18.

One of the reasons why people believe in this project is Professor Aksit (the head of TEI). He’s a big pragmatist, unlike other major figures in the Turkish military industry, and he’s always tried to manage expectations. He has never been proven wrong about the dates he’s given and has always delivered on time. He rarely gives dates, so that should tell you a lot about the progress (and the pressure of progress) of the project, even the things left unsaid.

Very few Turkish projects have been as secretive as this one. For example, there was a lot of talks that the first parts of the TF35000 prototype would be shown at this year’s IDEF, but the Presidency of the Defence Industries stepped in and instructed TEI to keep everything under wraps.
 
LOL, as if these people haven’t been this corrupt or weren’t in the majority before :D

Joe Biden himself was blocking the FMS of Blackhawk helicopters to Turkey some-40 years ago...

They were blocking the sale of less than a dozen attack helicopters during the terror-ridden years of the 90s...

Gotta give it the US, they haven't been as bad as the Europeans in leveraging sales of engines (Firtina SPH, Naval Platforms, Hurjet etc etc). And they did give countless warnings of what would happen if Turkey purchased S400. Though, S400 purchase was politically unavoidable (appease Russians), I believe the US understands this but you know it's a card they can leverage Turkey with so... respect da game.
 

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