Those lower engine nacelles seem VERY voluminous... if the Su-57 prioritizes low drag (to a fault, some would argue with respect to LO shaping) here, the polar opposite seems to be the case with Kaan.
For Kaan gigantism theory lovers...
Quick measurements give 14,35 m wingspan which may be slightly less due perspective distortion.
I'm too lazy now to measure concrete tiles approximate size on GE, still length calculations will be much more complicated process.
7 prototype iterations from what they've said we should see lots of small changes, not sure if it will be as drastic as X-35 to F-35 or YF-22 to F-22 but at this stage they don't even know themselves.
7 prototype iterations from what they've said we should see lots of small changes, not sure if it will be as drastic as X-35 to F-35 or YF-22 to F-22 but at this stage they don't even know themselves.
7 prototype iterations from what they've said we should see lots of small changes, not sure if it will be as drastic as X-35 to F-35 or YF-22 to F-22 but at this stage they don't even know themselves.
7 prototype iterations from what they've said we should see lots of small changes, not sure if it will be as drastic as X-35 to F-35 or YF-22 to F-22 but at this stage they don't even know themselves.
But keep in mind that "7 prototypes" includes this one too, so we will see 5 or 6 more KAAN development aircraft+ multiple testbeds for various subsystems
But keep in mind that "7 prototypes" includes this one too, so we will see 5 or 6 more KAAN development aircraft+ multiple testbeds for various subsystems
TOLGA ÖZBEK'S INTERVIEW WITH THE CHIEF TEST PILOT OF KAAN (NATIONAL COMBAT AIRCRAFT/ MMU/ TF-X) BARBAROS DEMİRBAŞ
Mr. Barbaros, you got on the aircraft, started her engines and throttled her up. What did it make you feel like?
-The aircraft gives you a lot of confidence. Especially when the canopy is closed, the visibility is great. Ergonomically speaking the LAD and its interfaces etc. are very pleasant.
It's a really big aircraft as well. Which aircraft did you get to fly before the MMU?
-I've flown with a lot of aircraft. The number exceeds 40. The majority of my flights have been with the F-4 in the Air Force Command. Later on I started flying with the F-16. I was the commander of the test fleet for 5 years. But KAAN is very pleasant. You see I'm currently flying the Hürkuş, F-16 and the Global 6000. Each and every one of these planes have a special place in my heart but KAAN makes you feel different things. Flying a Turkish aircraft is an incredibly pleasant experience. I sometimes look at its wings, I touch it and get very proud. KAAN really wants to fly. If you look at her lines, lift and control surfaces etc. It's going to be an amazing aircraft.
How many knots did you reach in the taxi tests?
-We didn't go above 15. This aircraft is more of a demonstrator for us. Hopefully we will start modifying her from June onwards and get her ready for flight. This is what we would call a technology demonstrator. We are validating the processes with this aircraft. Because there is intense production and management activities going on. There is a massive organization behind all of this. So this is essentially a trial aircraft. The second prototype which is the P1, will cover the entire envelope. We will start integrating some systems to that airframe. We will achieve 4.5th gen characteristics with our Block 10 aircraft and 5th gen by Block 20's.
What is your foresight regarding P1?
-We are expecting it to fly in 2025. I would say we are lucky and happy to have such a good team. We always managed to meet our objectives in advance of the schedule. Hopefully this won't change.
You probably have high speed taxi tests now am I right?
-We expect high speed trials to take place after November. It could take place in December as well but winter conditions, the conditions on the runway etc. there will be a lot of factors involved.
There is a lot of work left to do then.
-Yes there is. Technical preparation, safety evaluations, our maturity level in the simulator, the production and the efforts to put the aircraft on the flightline are very important. Could there be delays, yes. Seasonal conditions, supply and production could have an effect. But our plan currently is to get this aircraft ready for flight on the 27th of December.
Our viewers kept asking. I thought I would ask you as well. When you were taxiing (during her first taxi test) one engine's nozzle was closed whereas the other one was open. Did you use a single engine during that taxi? Can we hear this from you as well?
-It was our first taxi (laughs). We gave a quick decision regarding the first taxi. The aircraft had a natural pull towards the right. And since the brakes and the stick controls were limited, I used asymmetric thrust to keep the plane on the centerline. Some F-4 experience came into play. But all in all it was a very pleasant experience. Today Gökhan (the other test pilot) was much more comfortable coming in. We get better day by day.
-We started good. I thought we would be experiencing more elemental issues. We first engaged the engines, then the hydraulics, the electrical systems, the cockpit systems were always more mature. We are going well.
Thx for posting @Canardzz !
Finally a reasonable statement on the status of the current aircraft and what's planned for the future.
This is what we would call a technology demonstrator. We are validating the processes with this aircraft...
So this is essentially a trial aircraft. The second prototype which is the P1, will cover the entire envelope. We will start integrating some systems to that airframe...
We will achieve 4.5th gen characteristics with our Block 10 aircraft and 5th gen by Block 20's.
Thx for posting @Canardzz !
Finally a reasonable statement on the status of the current aircraft and what's planned for the future.
This is what we would call a technology demonstrator. We are validating the processes with this aircraft...
So this is essentially a trial aircraft. The second prototype which is the P1, will cover the entire envelope. We will start integrating some systems to that airframe...
We will achieve 4.5th gen characteristics with our Block 10 aircraft and 5th gen by Block 20's.
-It was our first taxi (laughs). We gave a quick decision regarding the first taxi. The aircraft had a natural pull towards the right. And since the brakes and the stick controls were limited, I used asymmetric thrust to keep the plane on the centerline.
Regarding the paragraph on asymmetric throttle usage, anyone got an idea of wind conditions that day? @Canardzz : thanks for taking the time to translate it for all.
TOLUN Turkey's answer to Small Diameter Bomb, will be one of KAANs main internal carry munitions. 102km range
Man in the loop version is also being developed with IIR seeker and range of 80km
Editor of Defence Turkey Magazine Ibrahim Sunetci;
"In Pakistan, there was an engineering group of over 50 engineers working on the MMU, led by an engineer with Lockheed Martin experience. They were actively working on the MMU project and making designs. Tusaş Pakistan office said that they will build and fly a scaled MMU prototype this year.
Pakistan has applied to Tusaş to expand the Tusaş office in Pakistan and increase the number of employees. The office and staff will be expanded this year."
Editor of Defence Turkey Magazine Ibrahim Sunetci;
"In Pakistan, there was an engineering group of over 50 engineers working on the MMU, led by an engineer with Lockheed Martin experience. They were actively working on the MMU project and making designs. Tusaş Pakistan office said that they will build and fly a scaled MMU prototype this year.
Pakistan has applied to Tusaş to expand the Tusaş office in Pakistan and increase the number of employees. The office and staff will be expanded this year."
What about the confidentiality of critical data? Pakistan has deep military relations with China and there's a reason why the US blocks the sale of LHTEC T800s for Paki T-129s as an example.
Wouldn't this engine be a bit underpowered for a heavy fighter like the TFX ? For example the engine that powers the Eurofighter has roughly 17,500 lbf of thrust. This engine has 6,000 lbf of thrust.
Edit: This article claims this engine is merely a stepping stone to the actual one as a way of giving their engineers experience developing heavy powerplants. It is a must read if you want to know more about the development of this engine.
Wouldn't this engine be a bit underpowered for a heavy fighter like the TFX ? For example the engine that powers the Eurofighter has roughly 17,500 lbf of thrust. This engine has 6,000 lbf of thrust.
Edit: This article claims this engine is merely a stepping stone to the actual one as a way of giving their engineers experience developing heavy powerplants. It is a must read if you want to know more about the development of this engine.
It is actually developed to replace the Ukranian engines that currently power Kizilelma and Anka-3 UCAV/LWs.
And yes, it has been long known in the Turkish defence media that they were developing this engine also as to develop critical tech to be used on the engine of Kaan/MMU.
Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. AKŞİT: Our TEI-TF6000 engine is actually an engine that we, as the TEI engineering team, built to train our team and develop them as a talent on our way to the National Combat Aircraft (MMU/TF-X). We have brought it up to this point with our own means. It is actually the most powerful engine ever designed and developed in Türkiye. It produces 6,000 lbf of thrust. The engine's thrust capacity can be increased to 10,000 lbf if an afterburner is added to the exhaust section. So it's a pretty powerful engine. We have built our engine as a technology development project to study the technologies to be used in the National Combat Aircraft's engine. We will also use it to validate and calibrate the design analysis software developed by our engineering team and the hypothesis’ used in the design.
What we can see already, is that it's an high altitude, high speed engine with a high pressure compressor bypass and intended variable geometry nozzle.
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