Sukhoi FSW Fighters from S-22 / S-32 to S-37 / Su-47 Berkut

[blackkite]

1. I think that modified Su-47 with thrust vectoring engine (AL-37FU or AL-41F) was the final shape of S－32 concept.
2, Existing S-32 images or model picture shows that S-32 was too heavy because of large flat plate thrust vectoring exhaust nozzle.
3. Some document says that F-22 can do every maneuver that X-29 did.
4. So perhaps Su-57 can do every maneuver that modified Su-47 can do.
5. FSW's L/D is not large at over Mach 1.3 region compared with Sweep back wing, FSW is not suitable for supercruiser.
6. FSW fighter is hard to design. (Because of wing divergence problem and complicated flight control system).
7. I believe that FSW fighter has no merit today.
(Perhaps Su-27KM exhaust nozzle design was different from S-32 exhaust nozzle.)

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/su-27km-3-jpg.647354/

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Su-47.
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/...sukhoi-su-47-berkut-never-adopted-for-service

 

[Bekim]

Hi

I am Doing a Su-47 in scale 1/32 , but I did not find Pics of the Cockpit, can someone please help me to bring this beauty to an end.

 

[Bekim]

Also helpful would be some pics of the internal Weapon bay

 

[Sarastro]

Hi,
From: This thread, a post from Flateric and paralay.ru.

 

[LMFS]

 

[Erdosain]

Close-up of the main bay and its corresponding section of the Su-57 fuselage, tested many years ago on a Su-47 Berkut.

 

[QuadroFX]

There are no any photos of inside of initial weapon bays(primary and secondary) in internet. Only photos after conversion to PAKFA test lab.

 

[sienar]

Hi

I am Doing a Su-47 in scale 1/32 , but I did not find Pics of the Cockpit, can someone please help me to bring this beauty to an end.View attachment 652730

Is the shaping around the wing root/engine/canard really that extreme? It looks much more benign in photos.

 

[Bekim]

Hi

I am Doing a Su-47 in scale 1/32 , but I did not find Pics of the Cockpit, can someone please help me to bring this beauty to an end.View attachment 652730

Is the shaping around the wing root/engine/canard really that extreme? It looks much more benign in photos.
View attachment 652782

Hello Sienar

Shape was scaned from the 1/72 scale Zvesda Su-47 Berkut Kit ; as I know this was done with the help from Sukhoj company.

 

[Bekim]

Close-up of the main bay and its corresponding section of the Su-57 fuselage, tested many years ago on a Su-47 Berkut.

View attachment 652767

I am doing the model without the additional Box......

 

[Bekim]

more Progress Pics.....

 

[flateric]

Shape was scaned from the 1/72 scale Zvesda Su-47 Berkut Kit ; as I know this was done with the help from Sukhoj company.

Panel lines and sharknose on Zvezda model are far from original though, to name a few things

Сухой Су-47 (С-37) Беркут, авиасалон МАКС-2019, Жуковский, Россия

 

[flateric]

An official 1/10 model panel lines also has some significant difference from a real bird

 

[Bekim]

Thank´s a lot for the Pics, very helpful

 

[GTX]

Hi

I am Doing a Su-47 in scale 1/32 , but I did not find Pics of the Cockpit, can someone please help me to bring this beauty to an end.View attachment 652730

Scratchbuilding or 3D printing?

 

[GTX]

Interesting. Would it be possible to scale it easily to 1/48?

 

[Bekim]

Interesting. Would it be possible to scale it easily to 1/48?

Hello, yes that´s also possible


Nozzle area......

 

[paralay]

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[F-2]

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I’d love to see the Su-47 in person. I’m not big on travel but I might go one day.

 

[paralay]

https://aviasalon.com/en/

 

[alanqua]

Interesting. Would it be possible to scale it easily to 1/48?

Hello, yes that´s also possible


Nozzle area......

Hello, which software were you using to model it?
Regards
Alain

 

[Bekim]

In Progress Pics, one in Flight Position and one on display Position

 

[GTX]

Looking good.

 

[Mirage4000-5]

Are there any blueprints? I‘d like to make a scale model of it.

 

[blackkite]

I can't find three side view drawing of this aircraft.
Perhaps Praray-san has it.

 

[Mirage4000-5]

I can't find three side view drawing of this aircraft.

Is there someone who can do them?

 

[Mirage4000-5]

Are there any blueprints of the Sukhoi S-22?

I‘d like to make a scale model of it.

 

[flateric]

no

 

[F-2]

There are some opinions about Su-47 engine replacement plan.
(1) D-30F6(15.5ton A/B)⇒AL-37FU(14.5ton A/B)
(2) D-30F6⇒AL-41F(17.6ton A/B)

So the Al-37fu was built? I’ve always be curious about it.

 

[F-2]

What kind of Radar would the Su-27km have? The Su-47 has a base flanker nose with a flat bottom. Presumably a PESA?
This cutaway just says pulse Doppler.

Index of /image/idop/fighter/s37

 

[paralay]

It can be assumed that H011 or H011M "Bars"

 

[F-2]

I thought the nose was too small but I’ve heard reports that bars could be installed on conventional nosed Su-27 so it makes sense. Thank you!

 

[F-2]

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ormance_Investigation_Using_GAMA_Water_Tunnel aerodynamic investigation of an Su-47 vs a Eurofighter. Odd choice of a comparison but interesting! CL max of 2.66, if that’s accurate I can see why they were so obsessed with the idea.

 

[Bekim]

Fuselage complete

 

[Foo Fighter]

That looks great, mate.

 

[fightingirish]

Just only Fan-Art and not really accurate, but these drawings might be quite interesting to you all.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/28WVJK

 

[FFA P-16]

Had known that at already at an early stage the whole FSW Project of Sukhoi had always also an Navy version in mind and the S-32, and so on where shown in drawings and desktop models with tailhook. Also, a Navy-Version needs folding wings to save space on the aircraftcarrier. Often its said that the real build Su-47 has a tailhook. But I never had seen a photo of the Su-47 with a tailhook. and in the new Su-57 book from Yefim Gordon is nothing written about it. But from this book ilearnd that the Su-47 has manualy folding wing. The is als one photo. Does anyone know a photo showing the Su-47's tailhook (if it exists). Does anyone know a photo showing the Su-47 with folded wings from a different viewpoint (sideview,..) ?

 

[flanker]

Holy sh!t! This has been a rumor for yeeeeears but finally confirmed now!

And really awesome 1/32 scale project!

 

[F-2]

That’s an amazing pic! You can really see the naval lineage.

Anyway apparently the radar for the Su-27km would have been the never built RLPK-32 radar. I don’t know enough about Soviet/Russian radar designations to know if that name has any useful information, source does not elaborate.

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