• Hi Guest! Forum rules have been updated. All users please read here.

Saab Gripen NG

TomcatViP

Hellcat
Joined
Feb 12, 2017
Messages
3,590
Reaction score
2,567
Aaarff.... I stand corrected. Thanks.
(edited the original post to include the correction).
 
Last edited:

AN/AWW-14(V)

ACCESS: Granted
Senior Member
Joined
May 18, 2019
Messages
416
Reaction score
788
7568.jpg


Saab annouced on Aug. 28 that it is developing a new decoy missile system, the Lightweight Air-launched Decoy Missile, as part of Gripen’s E/F Electronic Warfare capability.
The company will offer the missile together with the new Electronic Attack Jammer Pod for Finland’s HX fighter procurement program.

It also revealed that the missile has a stand-in jammer that can jam or create false targets for acquisition, tracking, fire control and airborne radars.


66.jpg

 

TomcatViP

Hellcat
Joined
Feb 12, 2017
Messages
3,590
Reaction score
2,567
Last edited:

Foo Fighter

I came, I saw, I drank some tea (and had a bun).
Senior Member
Joined
Jul 19, 2016
Messages
1,996
Reaction score
876
One minor question, what's with the flight of three aircraft? Is that a thing now?
 
Last edited:

Grey Havoc

The path not taken.
Senior Member
Joined
Oct 9, 2009
Messages
14,585
Reaction score
4,312
Basically PR by a government whose existence has been hanging by a fraying thread for sometime now. As to why three aircraft, I'd suspect availability issues not necessarily related to the aircraft itself.
 

robunos

You're Mad, You Are.....
Senior Member
Joined
May 1, 2007
Messages
1,978
Reaction score
395
From the link to the YouTube video posted above :-

"It was a "Missing Man" formation (you see number 3 is missing), of Hungarian Air Force, in tribute to the funeral of the last Hungarian WW2 fighter pilot, who died this year."

A further link HERE :-


cheers,
Robin.
 

Grey Havoc

The path not taken.
Senior Member
Joined
Oct 9, 2009
Messages
14,585
Reaction score
4,312
Thought it was a Swedish air force flyby, my mistake!
 

eagle

ACCESS: Restricted
Joined
Apr 7, 2009
Messages
24
Reaction score
28
From the link to the YouTube video posted above :-

"It was a "Missing Man" formation (you see number 3 is missing), of Hungarian Air Force, in tribute to the funeral of the last Hungarian WW2 fighter pilot, who died this year."

A further link HERE :-


cheers,
Robin.

Indeed, I didn't read the comments. Here you can see it was actually 3 single seaters.

What I had in mind is the 20 August (national holiday) flyby, which they seem to do regularly. 2018, 2019, with single seaters only and mixed formations.
 

TomcatViP

Hellcat
Joined
Feb 12, 2017
Messages
3,590
Reaction score
2,567
I do think so. Given that both share the same engine, it won't make much difference for them if you start counting all the cost that you would have with adding yet another platform b/w the two (trainee formation, stock of parts...).
They are probably better keeping their old twin seat Gripen until those are too old to be deemed safe and economical. And then only order the T-7 at the best price money can buy on this program (meanwhile 300+ would have been produced for the USAF, 100 for the US Navy (perhaps!) plus all the export models).
 
Last edited:

Maro.Kyo

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
May 8, 2017
Messages
88
Reaction score
152
I do think so. Given that both share the same engine, it won't make much difference for them if you start counting all the cost that you would have with adding yet another platform b/w the two (trainee formation, stock of parts...).
They are probably better keeping their old twin seat Gripen until those are too old to be deemed safe and economical. And then only order the T-7 at the best price money can buy on this program (meanwhile 300+ would have been produced for the USAF, 100 for the US Navy (perhaps!) plus all the export models).

Given the fact that Sweden is planning to make 60 (+10) of those E variants, I feel like most of those C/D aircrafts with the similar F404 engines to the T-7 will be mothballed just like how the A/B aircraft were, unless it's utilized in some way. So like how you suggest, it might be better to just continue using those D aircrafts as advanced trainers instead of buying extra T-7s. Let the F model do the LIFT role.

Btw can anyone tell me where all the surplus Gripen A/Bs are at the moment? Excluding what they have leased and so on, there are currently around 80 aircrafts, those probably of A/B variant, not in operation. Sweden thought about using C/D parts from the existing aircrafts when producing E/F aircrafts, although it ultimately never happened. Could it be that they have done that while producing C/D aircrafts in the 2000s? I feel that such case is unlikely though. Maybe they are just resting somewhere in Sweden in mothballed state.
 

helmutkohl

ACCESS: Top Secret
Joined
Nov 29, 2010
Messages
556
Reaction score
771
I do think so. Given that both share the same engine, it won't make much difference for them if you start counting all the cost that you would have with adding yet another platform b/w the two (trainee formation, stock of parts...).
They are probably better keeping their old twin seat Gripen until those are too old to be deemed safe and economical. And then only order the T-7 at the best price money can buy on this program (meanwhile 300+ would have been produced for the USAF, 100 for the US Navy (perhaps!) plus all the export models).

Given the fact that Sweden is planning to make 60 (+10) of those E variants, I feel like most of those C/D aircrafts with the similar F404 engines to the T-7 will be mothballed just like how the A/B aircraft were, unless it's utilized in some way. So like how you suggest, it might be better to just continue using those D aircrafts as advanced trainers instead of buying extra T-7s. Let the F model do the LIFT role.

Btw can anyone tell me where all the surplus Gripen A/Bs are at the moment? Excluding what they have leased and so on, there are currently around 80 aircrafts, those probably of A/B variant, not in operation. Sweden thought about using C/D parts from the existing aircrafts when producing E/F aircrafts, although it ultimately never happened. Could it be that they have done that while producing C/D aircrafts in the 2000s? I feel that such case is unlikely though. Maybe they are just resting somewhere in Sweden in mothballed state.
on a related note, surely those A/B variants could be sold no?
I feel there could be a market for those used early gen Gripen.
Botswana, Colombia, one of the Baltic countries, Philippines, etc.
 

Maro.Kyo

ACCESS: Confidential
Joined
May 8, 2017
Messages
88
Reaction score
152
on a related note, surely those A/B variants could be sold no?
I feel there could be a market for those used early gen Gripen.
Botswana, Colombia, one of the Baltic countries, Philippines, etc.
Probably, unless they've though even mothballing those aircrafts are too costly and actually scrapped those aircrafts, which I think is not going to be the case. One possible case though, is that they've used those aircrafts to harvest some components and use it for their operational Gripens. In such case those aircrafts would probably need some refit.

Also, that's what they have done with the lease of 28 aircrafts to Czech Republic and Hugary. They proabably would have anticipated for more countries to be interested in buying those "second hand" aircrafts or lease them but that never realized. Also, those aircraft would probably need several avionics upgrades, for example updating the IFF devices to latest standard.

I still think it's potentially a great value though. Better than FA-50 capability-wise for sure.

I could even see Sweden replacing all their 94 C/D aircrafts with E/F if the leasing becomes a thing once more. Problem is that (I can't remember if it was Czech or Hungary) one of the operators of the leased Gripen complained of its cost. Maybe leasing isn't really that much great of a value.
 

Similar threads

Top