It is hard to make military grade explosives detonate unintentionally; sans fuse/initiator or they tend to deflagrate in fire.
Excuse me if I find this a bit of meaningless drivel.

I have read discussions where persons with physics backgrounds have declaimed nearly hysterically that "the so-called 'explosions' that sunk the RN's battlecruisers at Jutland were NOT detonations of the cordite, but rather merely deflagration of the cordite as the chemistry of cordite means it cannot detonate".

What *%$#& difference did that make to the ships and their crews?
 
Excuse me if I find this a bit of meaningless drivel.

I have read discussions where persons with physics backgrounds have declaimed nearly hysterically that "the so-called 'explosions' that sunk the RN's battlecruisers at Jutland were NOT detonations of the cordite, but rather merely deflagration of the cordite as the chemistry of cordite means it cannot detonate".

What *%$#& difference did that make to the ships and their crews?

The fact that no one uses that explosive or propellant anymore because of exactly that. The RN has been heavily criticized for its handling of propellant in that engagement, which was over a century ago.

Also it is worth noting that propellant and high explosives inside shells are two different things. When you see a T-72 jack in the box, that is mostly propellant explosions. Propellant is usually much more flammable than the actual HE it is projecting. Occasionally you see a hit that actually touches off HE ammunition in a tank or self propelled howitzer; when that happens you only find a set of tracks, a barrel, and an engine block. And not necessarily in that order.
 
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this is the second fire or explosive incident at an under protected production node.

I guess we will see soon - probably within a month or two - if this a rare statistical anomaly or if it’s enemy action against the US.
 
this is the second fire or explosive incident at an under protected production node.

I guess we will see soon - probably within a month or two - if this a rare statistical anomaly or if it’s enemy action against the US.
Energetics are a dangerous business. It doesn’t take a conspiracy or enemy action to have an accident. I would expect additional accidents over the next couple of years as companies expand production or new entrants learn the hard lessons on their own when they think they can do things more efficiently. Although safety is ingrained because the costs are high, when either demand requires additional throughput or expertise is reduced/replaced through attrition, age or expansion, lessons will be relearned the hard way.

My thoughts are with the families of those who lost their lives and for those who survived who have to live with memories of the mistakes that were made.
 
this is the second fire or explosive incident at an under protected production node.

I guess we will see soon - probably within a month or two - if this a rare statistical anomaly or if it’s enemy action against the US.
If they do find saboteur involvement they should be shot after a brief but thorough interrogation.
 
I don't know how much production this company handles, but any incident like this is both a tragedy and a setback.

It is certainly likely to seriously disrupt both military and commercial supply lines.

BBC story on the disaster from 4 hours ago:


If they do find saboteur involvement they should be shot after a brief but thorough interrogation.
That is unlikely while current laws and associated precedents are still in effect, unfortunately. In recent times, the US courts have had a mostly laissez-faire attitude towards treason and the like, in part due to rather dubious interpretations of the Constitution's take on what exactly defines espionage and treason.
 
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I suspect materials have become 'more energetic', while precautions have not matched them...
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Disclosure: After Uni, the second interview I attended was at a specialist 'Pharmaceutical' materials site.
Noting their manufacturing 'bays' were stand-alone 'bunkers' with really-thick walls, frangible roofs and multiple foam-inlets, I was, um, a tad unsettled.
The interview team showed me a molecular formula, asked how I'd make it.
I counted the ways it could 'vigorously disassemble', sorta choked when I reached 'Too Many'.
Very diffidently, I expressed polite surprise that they could make it at all, never mind have it remain stable at ambient temperature.
They chuckled, mentioned they had a robust procedure--
At which point, alarms and bleepers awoke.
Site fire-team scampered past window with the biggest foam-extinguisher trolley I'd ever seen.
More alarms sounded, more bleepers, then a siren.
A really, really loud siren...
Within moments, I was alone.
Seconds later, the Admin building's 'Fire Marshal' looked in, noticed I'd not left, gave me £ ½ for my petrol and bid me to go NOW, before usual convoy of fire-engines arrived...
Several years later, that site had a 'gas escape' which turned all downwind grass in vicinity blue.

The first interview ? At site which made 'stabilisers' for PVC, chemicals revealed that morning as extremely carcinogenic. Yeah, verily, that report put the 'U' in 'U-PVC'....
 
If they do find saboteur involvement they should be shot after a brief but thorough interrogation.

There's no real reason to suspect that. As Calphor said, energetics are inherently dangerous. And this company has a couple of incidents in its history (another fatal explosion in 2014, some safety failures around 2019). Far more likely that they got a little lax, possibly compounded by high demand.

It doesn't look like they work with very experimental or novel materials -- their main products seem to be Claymores, landmines, and various types of demolition and breaching charges.
 
Apparently they were doing some R&D onsite (other company research facilities located elsewhere swamped with work, perhaps?). The company also provides (provided?) explosives and related products for other sectors including both the aerospace and oil & gas industries.

While it is quite possible as you say that it was an accident, there have been a lot of suspicious incidents in the last year alone, so sabotage of one sort or another can not be ruled out yet
 
this is the second fire or explosive incident at an under protected production node.

I guess we will see soon - probably within a month or two - if this a rare statistical anomaly or if it’s enemy action against the US.
I suspect that it's result of desperate attempts to increase production of explosives after literally decades of negligence. Too few factories with too old equipment and too little trained personnel are trying to meet skyrocketed demands; the probability of incidents drastically increased, of course.
 
I have read in other sources this was a research facility and not a production site, though I have no idea how accurate that is.
 
I have read in other sources this was a research facility and not a production site, though I have no idea how accurate that is.

The company does both on the same property, apparently. I wasn't able to confirm what that specific building was used for, but I saw a report that this happened during a shift change, which explains the high number of the fatalities. It would seem unlikely that a pure research site would run overnight shifts, so my hunch would be it was a manufacturing facility. But that is only guess.
 
The main research lab seems to have been underground and located some distance from the main buildings:
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