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Hi,

I spoke about many Nieuport projects before,and here is anther projects;

NiD-34 was a record aircraft powered by one Sumbeam-Coatalen 500 hp engine.
NiD-45T was mid-wing 6-seat single transport aircraft,powered by one Renault
500 hp engine.
NiD-47C2 was two seat fighter (no more info).
NiD-49C1 was single seat fighter,powered by one Renaulr V12 550 hp engine.
NiD-51M (may be marine aircraft).
NiD-560 was single engined colonial aircraft.
NiD-570 was three engined colonial aircraft.
NiD-550 was three engined postal aircraft,as transatlantic project.
NiD-600HB.4 was four engined seaplane bomber developed from NiD-50 twin
engined.
NiD-840T was convertiplane,powered by one Lorraine 120 hp engine.
NiD-627 was single seat fighter,powered by one Hispano-Suiza 12 engine.
 

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It should be nice to see your sources also Hesham...
 

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Hi,

the NiD-621H was a seaplane floatplane project.
 

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The source for the Nieuport projects;
http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/les_avions_nieuport-delage.pdf
And here is some Nieuport aircraft,which were not popular and built only
as a prototype;
NiD-35M was marine aircraft with Hispano-Suiza 8 Aa 150 hp engine.
NiD-50HB.4 was twin engined seaplane torpedo bomber,with two Gnome-Rhone
Ad Jupiter 420 hp.
NiD-85E2 was two seat trainer with Hispano-Suiza 8 Aa 150 hp engine.
NiD-540T was transport aircraft with one Renault 580 hp engine.
 

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Hi,


NiD-30B was a single engined heavy bomber project,developed from NiD-30
transport.


NiD-19 was two seat twin engined bomber project,powered by two 150 hp
Hispano engine.
 

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In 1927, the transport design department of Nieuport-Delage was split into two distinct units, with Robert Duhamel supervising the development of commercial (passenger) and postal (freight) transports, while engineer Pillon was in charge of military and colonial transports.

In 1928, the STAé launched a postal aircraft competition. Nieuport-Astra's answer was the Nieuport-Delage NiD-54, a high-wing monoplane with enclosed cabin that could carry two crew in side-by-side position and eight passengers over 800 km.

A prototype was built in 1930 as the NiD-540. It offered a vast enclosed cabin for eight passengers and even a toilet, which was a luxury feature at that time. It had a duralumin high wing, and a square tail (although early Type 54 and Type 540 drawings show a much different tail configuration). The landing gear was developed by Messier in 1928.

The Type 540 could be powered by either a 500 hp 12-cyl. Courlis engine, a 500 hp 14-cyl. Lorraine Antares engine or a 600 hp Lorraine engine (the latter being eventually retained). A NiD-540T variant with one 580 hp Renault 12Ki engine was also considered.

The single prototype (c/n 01) first flew in April 1931 and was registered F-ALZH. With no market in view, however, no production was carried out and the aircraft was abandoned.

Specifications:
  • Wingspan: 23.4 m (*27 m)
  • Length: 15 m (*12 m)
  • Height: 3.8 m
  • Wing area: 60 m² (*54 m²)
  • Top speed: 208 km/h (*195 km/h, 200 km/h)
  • Cruise speed: 165 km/h
  • Landing speed: 97 km/h
  • Range: 800 km
  • Ceiling: 4000 m (*5485 m)
  • Empty weight: 2250 kg (*2100 kg)
  • Maximum weight: 3850 kg (*3200 kg, 3300 kg)
Asterisks (*) indicate alternate figures found in different sources.
 

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Great article Stargazer,


also for the 1928 competition,many other contenders were participated,
such as Dyle et Bacalan DB-80,Farman F.280 and Bloch MB.60.
 

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Hi,


NiD-53 was a project of multi place de combat,or a multi role military and attack
bomber,if anyone has a more info,that will be nice.
 

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Here is the Nieuport-Delage 941 T, a tailless flying wing design from 1932, to be powered by a 120 hp Lorraine engine.
 

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hi,


NID 53M:


study of winter 1927.A mock up of the sesquiplane wings tested in wind tunnel Eiffel.
designed for the multiplaces de combat specification 1928 against Breguet 410, Dyle Bacalan 20,Blériot 137,Amiot 140.
wing aerea 140 m2 Source: DOCAVIA NIEUPORT.


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Thank you Stargazer and Vigair,


and for Vigair,also the SPCA-30 was submitted to this Specification.
 

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Hi Vigair,


can you confirm if the Nieuport Ni.150 design was existed or not ?.
 

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Hi Hesham


designation nie 150 exist on a report of wind tunnel Eiffel, 30 5 1934 about mock up (wings and fuselage only) tested on 29 5 1934.
no drawings attached .
The author of docavia 38 on Nieuport assume that it could be a "triplace de chasse c3"(specification 10 1934).
The aircraft designation was changed in LN 20.
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That's incredible Vigair,


thank you very much,and this designation could proceed by Ni.130,am I right ?.
 

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Hi Hesham,
in fact Nie 130 is a preliminary design for ni 160, the well known fighter.
No drawings but wind tunnel mock up only.
best regards.
 

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Hi,


I heard that the Nieuport designed a project powered by four engines,but
I don't know if it was a transport or a bomber aircraft,who can help ?.
 

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Hi Vigair,


can I ask you about something,I know all Nieuport aircraft and projects from
Ni-I to NiD-60,except the Ni-VII and the NiD-36,has you any informations about
those last two aircraft ?.
 

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HI Hesham,


Designation ni VII is unknown (all the archives of Nieuport are destroyed) I assume the type is a derivative of ni IV.
no infos on ni 36.
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Thank you Vigair,


and was there a project called NiD-741 developed from NiD-740 ?.
 

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HI Hesham,


After cancellation of "trimoteurs postaux légers" specification, a derivative from 740 is on the drawing boards for light transport, postal fret...3Salmson 120 ch . No datas or drawings sorry.
 

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By the way,


the Nieuport NiD-45T was intended to compete in 1924/25 competition for
transport aircraft,and I will figure out about this contest and its tenders.
 

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From l'Aeronautique 1934,


here is a 2-view to Nieuport 941 aircraft,modified as a flying car.
 

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Bonjour Hesham
From "Aviation magazine"
 

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From Rudolf Storck "Flying Wings" a 3-view and another photo of the NiD 941:
 

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hesham said:
From l'Aeronautique 1934,


here is a 2-view to Nieuport 941 aircraft,modified as a flying car.

About this project, see my comments in this post:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9932.msg234318.html#msg234318
I don't think the flying car project was actually endorsed by Nieuport.

Adrien
 

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Hi,


also in Goerge Messier site,they mention a project for Nieuport called NiD-105,and I
am completely believed him,that's because,there is two unknown projects,they are
NiD-92 and NiD-102,was a single seat sesquiplane fighter projects,tested in wind
tunnel as a Models,but no more info are available.
 

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hesham said:
there is two unknown projects,they are
NiD-92 and NiD-102,was a single seat sesquiplane fighter projects,tested in wind tunnel as a Models,but no more info are available.

I do not have a source for these. It's of course possible that these projects existed, but please do not take into account the so-called "NiD-92" story on the following page, which is a completely fictional story:
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.925
 

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Skyblazer said:
I do not have a source for these. It's of course possible that these projects existed, but please do not take into account the so-called "NiD-92" story on the following page, which is a completely fictional story:
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.925


A fictional story !,


of course not my dear Skyblazer,in TU magazine,they are a real projects,never passed the wind
tunnel Models.
 

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hesham said:
A fictional story !,of course not my dear Skyblazer,in TU magazine,they are a real projects,never passed the wind
tunnel Models.

You didn't understand what I wrote. I didn't say that the designations you found were fictitious, I just warned you not to take that site's description of the "NiD-92" as real because it tells a "what if" story that has nothing to do with the real NiD-92 project (it's the "what if" website, and also if the story was real, there would be many sites, notably in South America, telling the story of that aircraft in service!)
 

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My dear Skyblazer,


I understand what you wrote,I was just kidding with you.
 

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Hi,


I have the book,Nieuport 1909-1950,marvelous one,but it hasn't all projects
created by this company.


For example,the NiD-49 in hydroretro site was a single seat fighter project (1926),but also
the NiD-49 was re-allocated to three engined sesquiplane transport seaplane project
of 1929.


http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/les_avions_nieuport-delage.pdf
 

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Hi,


we know NiD-45T was a high wing single engined transport aircraft project of 1924/25,
but in 1928 there is anther eight passenger single engined transport aircraft project,
called NiD-450.
 

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Hi,


the Nieuport NiD-510 was single engined light transport project of 1929,not related
to NiD-51M a project of 1926.
 

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Hi,


the Nieuport NiD-47 was two seat low-wing fighter project,powered by two engines,
mounted above each wing and fixed landing gear.


TU magazine
 

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Hi,


in 1921,and in AT-2 competition for two seat torpedo bomber,Nieuport submitted
a proposal for two seat seaplane Project,powered by one 500 hp engine.
 
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