New Super Hornet UAP video from 2015

I have no reason to believe this is a real, functional system. Will it work in fog or smoke or other combat conditions?
 
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X-39,

You laugh? Want a really good laugh? Here goes. The U.S. Air Force contracted with the University of Colorado in 1966 to study UFOs. Project head, Edward Condon, was a professor of physics and astrophysics. He bagan to express his doubts that anything of value would be found long before the final report, referred to informally as The Condon Report, was released in 1968. I bought the paperback version in January, 1969. At just over 1,000 pages, including index, it is page after page of bad explanations. It even included a photo section of nonsensical image explanations. However, it marked the Air Force's public exit from the study of UFOs. This did not stop incursions by unidentified craft into American airspace in subsequent years. And did not stop any of the intelligence agencies from gathering further information.
 
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1947 - Lieutenant General Nathan F. Twining, commander of Air Materiel Command at Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio, responds to a request by Brigadier General of the Army Air Force, George Schulgen.
a. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary
or fictitious.


b. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a
disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made
aircraft.

More investigation is suggested, followed by nothing.

CIRVIS begins. It translates as Communication Instructions (for) Reporting Vital Intelligence Sightings. Reports were sent to filter centers. Those deemed credible were sent on to military intelligence and other intelligence consumers.

1949 - JANAP 146 is issued. It is a Joint Army Navy Air Publication. It is followed by JANAP 146A (1950), B (1951) and C (1954). In summary, these JANAP instructions were for military pilots and other military observers to say nothing about what they saw. Only a designated officer could be told what happened. A later JANAP would silence commercial pilots.

There was never any stigma attached to these sightings. Notes were sent around by various people in the military but nothing was actually done. Aside from making sure that the stories of sightings never got out.
 
So the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (!) of the United States went ahead and did a "Preliminary Assessment of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena", see https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf, which concludes that among such utterly exotic phenomena like ice crystals and plastic bags, *U.S. government or industry developmental programs* may be the source of "some" UAP observations. This is most likely as close to an outright admission/humble brag as we'll ever get - way to bury the lead, at least for people who would actually believe the ODNI would not be able to positively identify any such programs. Also, isn't it funny that only the US Navy (current active inventory of about 2,626 aircraft) ever seems to be able to make those kewl videos, while the US Air Force (current active inventory of about 5217 aircraft, or almost twice as many) has nothing to show for it?
 
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So the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (!) of the United States went ahead and did a "Preliminary Assessment of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena", see https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf, which concludes that among such utterly exotic phenomena like ice crystals and plastic bags, *U.S. government or industry developmental programs* may be the source of "some" UAP observations. This is most likely as close to an outright admission/humble brag as we'll ever get - way to bury the lead, at least for people who would actually believe the ODNI would not be able to positively identify any such programs. Also, isn't it funny that only the US Navy (current active inventory of about 2,626 aircraft) ever seems to be able to make those kewl videos, while the US Air Force (current active inventory of about 5217 aircraft, or almost twice as many) has nothing to show for it?
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You would not believe the number of times the U.S. Air Force has hinted at disclosing 'something' to various groups, government and private. There is evidence that they contacted various individuals, including private pilot Kenneth Arnold, who, in 1947, sighted some objects while flying near Mount Ranier in Washington State. None of the objects sighted were circular. I have seen a reproduction of the original sketch he did for Air Force intelligence. Of a total of nine objects, eight were spade shaped like the blade of a shovel. A side view showed these had a short thickness, causing the Air Force to classify them as having a 'low aspect ratio.' The ninth object was crescent shaped with a triangular projection in the back middle. A photo of Arnold holding a painting of this object was published.

As of today, still nothing.
 
Could be anything. Even the top secret advanced version of photoshop...
 
Sailors describe a stationary plasma ball over the deck of the USS Ronald Reagan for four hours. Since the ship was underway, I am going to assume the plasma projection equipment was onboard, and not external which would make matching the ships movements at sea very difficult.

thedebrief.org

Navy Witnesses Describe 2004 Encounter With UAP Aboard the USS Ronald Reagan - The Debrief

Navy personnel from a 2004 UAP incident observed from the USS Ronald Reagan have now come forward with details about their striking encounter.
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Other sailors describe officers being completely indifferent to the giant plasma ball over the ship. It is quite revealing.
 
Recent Navy briefing cards from the DoD public affairs office for the Navy’s Chief of Information and the Office of Information (CHINFO), obtained through a FOIA request by researcher Marc Cecotti, describe “assistance on responding to UAP related media requests,” and state that “Information obtained, in whatever form and from whatever source, involving UAPs, is classified.
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So from now on if Sailors see the Navy using their "plasma projector" you will no longer hear about it because its "classified".
 
sublight is back said:
Recent Navy briefing cards from the DoD public affairs office for the Navy’s Chief of Information and the Office of Information (CHINFO), obtained through a FOIA request by researcher Marc Cecotti, describe “assistance on responding to UAP related media requests,” and state that “Information obtained, in whatever form and from whatever source, involving UAPs, is classified.
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So from now on if Sailors see the Navy using their "plasma projector" you will no longer hear about it because its "classified".
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Stop that! Now the Chinese know!

:)
 
edwest3 said:
sublight is back said:
Recent Navy briefing cards from the DoD public affairs office for the Navy’s Chief of Information and the Office of Information (CHINFO), obtained through a FOIA request by researcher Marc Cecotti, describe “assistance on responding to UAP related media requests,” and state that “Information obtained, in whatever form and from whatever source, involving UAPs, is classified.
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So from now on if Sailors see the Navy using their "plasma projector" you will no longer hear about it because its "classified".
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Stop that! Now the Chinese know!

:)
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Did anybody think the Navy would just sit there and not invent ways to defend the carrier group? The combo of plasma projection and the mile wide "nanotube super chaff" that hangs for hours will force the PLA to use manned bombers and gravity bombs to get the job done, which wont work out too well for them.
 
Gimme a break. So the UFOs were drone swarms. Okay, so whodunnit ?

Did some crazy whacky garage genius send beefed-up quadcopters harassing USN ships, off the coast of California ?

Note that Ukrainians are sending boosted quadcopters loaded with grenades dropping the said grenades right into Russian T-72 open crew hatches.
So, did somebody tried a similar trick against USN warships ?

This is worth asking a question. How hard would it be for a random guy standing on a california beach to send a quadcopter making a flyby of a US warship cruising off the coast ?

The way people work, I can really see a smartass kid trying such crazy flight - think of Mathias Rust Cessna flight to Red Square. And when flying a drone, you don't risk your life being shot down...
 
As before, no answer will be forthcoming. The threat in 1947 just disappeared? Along with the the threat in the 1950s and 1960s? Long before plasma whatever and "modern" chaff? All of that got explained?
 
I disagree. "Drones, Not UFOs..." Until something was 'confirmed,' they were the same thing.
 
Sightings of UAPs date back thousands of years.
In the glory days of the Roman Empire, 'UAP' was an acronym used for 'Unidentified Aerial Prophet'.
One such UAP was revealed as being a manned platform, developed under the SAP 'Senior Jesus'.
According to written testimonies, it was capable of Vertical Take-off (with at least one successful vertical launch reported), and it was also rumored to have some sea-level hovering capability. It could sustain heavy combat-damage by the incorporation of advanced self-healing technologies. It saw operational service for about 33 years, with it´s last reported combat-action during operation 'Rolling Thunderstone'. After which it was upgraded with advanced visual stealth, but (un)surprisingly no operational activity was reported ever since.
It was the manned part of the 'NGOD' (Next Generation Orbital Dominance) initiative, and the main platform/air-vehicle was augmented by several 'Loyal Angels'. Some of those could be launched in swarms, from a much larger MQ-ARIA (Airborne Reconnaissance, Intelligence and Attack) mother-ship. However, not everything always went to plan, e.g. the J-UDAS (Joint Unmanned Disobedient Air System) drone encountered some severe problems during early operational service.

Feelin´ quite silly (again) on a lazy, sunny afternoon (inside the bar).
 
the drone swarm was pretty predictable but that doesn't explain the pilots' encounters with objects with no lifting surfaces, no sign of propulsion on infrared, moving in zig zag patterns in the air and at high speed as though unaffected by gravity. Those have to be the most intriguing ones.
 
donnage99 said:
the drone swarm was pretty predictable but that doesn't explain the pilots' encounters with objects with no lifting surfaces, no sign of propulsion on infrared, moving in zig zag patterns in the air and at high speed as though unaffected by gravity. Those have to be the most intriguing ones.
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Did you miss this?

www.forbes.com

U.S. Navy Laser Creates Plasma ‘UFOs’

The Navy has patented technology to create mid-air images to fool infrared and other sensors, offering a game-changing method of protecting aircraft from heat-seeking missiles. It may also provide a clue about the source of some recent UFO sightings by military aircraft.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
 
Plasma UFOs? I doubt it. And what about smoke and fog under combat conditions? A rainstorm?
 
sublight is back said:
donnage99 said:
the drone swarm was pretty predictable but that doesn't explain the pilots' encounters with objects with no lifting surfaces, no sign of propulsion on infrared, moving in zig zag patterns in the air and at high speed as though unaffected by gravity. Those have to be the most intriguing ones.
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Did you miss this?

www.forbes.com

U.S. Navy Laser Creates Plasma ‘UFOs’

The Navy has patented technology to create mid-air images to fool infrared and other sensors, offering a game-changing method of protecting aircraft from heat-seeking missiles. It may also provide a clue about the source of some recent UFO sightings by military aircraft.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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There was no vehicle in vicinity to project the plasma. the object was visually identified by multiple pilots, with one pilot interacted with it so it's unlikely they were visually fooled by a ball of light.

Also it breaks all protocols for safety if it was operated by US. If it was done by foreign power. why would they project it if the original vehicle was not detected and risked exposing advanced tech to enemy.
 
donnage99 said:
sublight is back said:
donnage99 said:
the drone swarm was pretty predictable but that doesn't explain the pilots' encounters with objects with no lifting surfaces, no sign of propulsion on infrared, moving in zig zag patterns in the air and at high speed as though unaffected by gravity. Those have to be the most intriguing ones.
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Did you miss this?

www.forbes.com

U.S. Navy Laser Creates Plasma ‘UFOs’

The Navy has patented technology to create mid-air images to fool infrared and other sensors, offering a game-changing method of protecting aircraft from heat-seeking missiles. It may also provide a clue about the source of some recent UFO sightings by military aircraft.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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There was no vehicle in vicinity to project the plasma. the object was visually identified by multiple pilots, with one pilot interacted with it so it's unlikely they were visually fooled by a ball of light.

Also it breaks all protocols for safety if it was operated by US. If it was done by foreign power. why would they project it if the original vehicle was not detected and risked exposing advanced tech to enemy.
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Is that you Lloyd Austin? :D

There was an entire carrier group in the vicinity to project the plasma, as well as the AWACS plane. On the USS Ronald Reagan it sat motionless right over the deck for 4 hours while the ship was underway, a feat that would have been impossible if it was projected external to the carrier. In almost all the cases each of these encounters happened when Navy ships came out of Refueling and Complex Overhaul (RCOH) And were fitted with new radars and other technology. After RCOH these same ships joined a carrier strike group to test its new Cooperative Engagement Capability.

The Navy has a well documented history of extreme red teaming. This just takes it to the next level.
 
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donnage99 said:
sublight is back said:
donnage99 said:
the drone swarm was pretty predictable but that doesn't explain the pilots' encounters with objects with no lifting surfaces, no sign of propulsion on infrared, moving in zig zag patterns in the air and at high speed as though unaffected by gravity. Those have to be the most intriguing ones.
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Did you miss this?

www.forbes.com

U.S. Navy Laser Creates Plasma ‘UFOs’

The Navy has patented technology to create mid-air images to fool infrared and other sensors, offering a game-changing method of protecting aircraft from heat-seeking missiles. It may also provide a clue about the source of some recent UFO sightings by military aircraft.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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There was no vehicle in vicinity to project the plasma. the object was visually identified by multiple pilots, with one pilot interacted with it so it's unlikely they were visually fooled by a ball of light.

Also it breaks all protocols for safety if it was operated by US. If it was done by foreign power. why would they project it if the original vehicle was not detected and risked exposing advanced tech to enemy.
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Is that you Lloyd Austin? :D

There was an entire carrier group in the vicinity to project the plasma, as well as the AWACS plane. On the USS Ronald Reagan it sat motionless right over the deck for 4 hours while the ship was underway, a feat that would have been impossible if it was projected external to the carrier.
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We're not talking about the same incident, which perhaps is my fault. In this particular case, the super hornets have flown sufficiently far from the carrier group. As far as I understood on the plasma tech, it's about few hundred meters range at best. Anh other aircraft flying in the vicinity would have been picked up by the aircrafts' radars. Moments later after the close encounter, the USS Princeton was able to acquire it on its radar 60 miles away. As far as I know, the technology creates plasma visual, which isn't the kind of things radar can pick up on. Lastly is the point I made previous that you seem to ignore, the pilots were able to see it up close, and nothing indicated to them that it was a ball of light.

The Navy has a well documented history of extreme red teaming. This just takes it to the next level.
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Which requires evidence of its own.
 
donnage99 said:
sublight_ said:
donnage99 said:
sublight is back said:
donnage99 said:
the drone swarm was pretty predictable but that doesn't explain the pilots' encounters with objects with no lifting surfaces, no sign of propulsion on infrared, moving in zig zag patterns in the air and at high speed as though unaffected by gravity. Those have to be the most intriguing ones.
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Did you miss this?

www.forbes.com

U.S. Navy Laser Creates Plasma ‘UFOs’

The Navy has patented technology to create mid-air images to fool infrared and other sensors, offering a game-changing method of protecting aircraft from heat-seeking missiles. It may also provide a clue about the source of some recent UFO sightings by military aircraft.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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There was no vehicle in vicinity to project the plasma. the object was visually identified by multiple pilots, with one pilot interacted with it so it's unlikely they were visually fooled by a ball of light.

Also it breaks all protocols for safety if it was operated by US. If it was done by foreign power. why would they project it if the original vehicle was not detected and risked exposing advanced tech to enemy.
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Is that you Lloyd Austin? :D

There was an entire carrier group in the vicinity to project the plasma, as well as the AWACS plane. On the USS Ronald Reagan it sat motionless right over the deck for 4 hours while the ship was underway, a feat that would have been impossible if it was projected external to the carrier.
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We're not talking about the same incident, which perhaps is my fault. In this particular case, the super hornets have flown sufficiently far from the carrier group. As far as I understood on the plasma tech, it's about few hundred meters range at best. Anh other aircraft flying in the vicinity would have been picked up by the aircrafts' radars. Moments later after the close encounter, the USS Princeton was able to acquire it on its radar 60 miles away. As far as I know, the technology creates plasma visual, which isn't the kind of things radar can pick up on. Lastly is the point I made previous that you seem to ignore, the pilots were able to see it up close, and nothing indicated to them that it was a ball of light.
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LIPFs can emit light of any wavelength: visible, infrared, ultraviolet or even terahertz waves. You can make an object that looks real to the eye. When this tech makes it to the commercial sector, you'll finally get that floating shark, Marty McFly.
 
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Fiction unless proven otherwise. If it's real - stop talking about it, because then The Chinese Will Know!
 

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