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Morane-Saulnier MS.406, Variants, Projects, Derivatives & Successors

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I love sons of Ms-406 by swiss part B)

first time I red about what the Swiss did to the Morane, I thought it was a joke. They really turned a donkey (MS-406) into a thoroughbred(D-3803)

What Saurer did with the 12Y31 is equally amazing. They raised power all the way from 830 hp to 1430 hp. nealry twice as much !

Only the soviets got similar results, turnng the 12Y into the M-100 / M-103 / M-105 family.

In turn, it drives me nuts that French pilots of 1940 had to fight 1100 hp Me-109s with only 860 hp engines.
 

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Some images have already mentioned the Finnish "Mörkö-Morane": a conversion with captured Klimov M-105P engines, for much better performance than stock MS.406.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane-Saulnier_M.S.406#M%C3%B6rk%C3%B6-Morane

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Has there ever be bombracks etc. used and under with planes, Finish, Swiss?

Plaese pictures/ Drawings?

Thanks
 

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Jjr said:
Hai

Has there ever be bombracks etc. used and under with planes, Finish, Swiss?

Plaese pictures/ Drawings?

Thanks

Postwar Swiss D-3801 aircraft carried rocket launchers for ground attack.
 

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Returning to an older message, I have a feeling that the MS 407LPs (LP for lance parachute), while used to test the opening of parachutes at high speed, did not carry an actual parachutist or life size dummy.

The French seemingly used a few such aircraft, a single Dewoitine D504LP, a derivative of the D500, being a case in point.

In Canada, a predecessor of the Fleet 60 Canuck light plane, the Noury Nourycraft, was modified to drop test parachutes in 1942.

There is also some info on the drop testing of parachutes in Canada by Irvin Air Chute, during the Second World War, at https://www.warplane.com/aircraft/collection/details.aspx?aircraftId=20
 

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M.S. 408 C1 emergency fighter
In 1935 the firm Morane-Saulnier decided to develop a two-seat trainer to facilitate the transition of the pilots from the Dewoitine D.510 to the M.S.405 with retractable landing gear. The first prototype, called M.S.430-01, flew at 360 kph in March 1937, powered by a 390 hp. Salmson 9Ag radial engine. In June 1939 l’Armée de l'Air ordered the production of 60 units under the name M.S.435 P2 (Perfectionnement biplace), powered by a 550 hp Gnôme-Rhône GR 9 Kdrs radial engine, but the acceleration of the production of the M.S.406 and M.S.410 fighters and the acquisition of the North American 57 and 64 trainers in the USA led to the cancellation of the M.S.435.

Foreseeing the possibility of a serious delay in the production of the Hispano-Suiza H.S.12 Y-31 engine, the firm considered the construction of M.S.408 C.1 single-seat light fighter, powered by a radial engine GR 9 Kdrs or a Hispano-Suiza 14 Aa-10 armed with only wing mounted MAC 34A machine guns. The prototype M.S.408-01, with 10.71 m wingspan, was built using many parts of the M.S.430 and a Salmson 9 Ag engine, but the increasing availability of the 12Y-31 dismissed its serial production.
 

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