Mitsubishi X-2 ATD-X Shinshin Demonstrator

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blackkite said:
Late in April? ;)

Planned for today but cancelled due to bad weather:

http://www.the-japan-news.com/news/article/0002890215
 

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The first flight of the x-2 (ATD-X Shinshin) was performed in 4/22/2016 8:45, from Komaki to the Gifu air base.(Already landed after 30 minutes flight.)
http://narublo.com/naru-334
 

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Thanks a lot.
Friday is a good day for the party. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9A7d08Lny8
 

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... and landing at Gifu !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWqN6ZHV0rw
 

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One more. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euxaO8-xNtA
 

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Hi!
30 degree hard climb at maiden flight. ;D

http://www.huffingtonpost.jp/2016/04/22/shinshin-first-flight_n_9755326.html
 

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Nice indeed ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqmtw87GJbc
 

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Thanks a lot. What a amazing video and a beautiful picture by chase plane! :eek:
Leading edge flap and main flap are down.
 

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Super!! I can't see fan blades from air intake front in this video.
 

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sferrin said:
Is it a prototype or an experimental vehicle?
Seems to be something of a "proof of capability/concept" vehicle to me.
 

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sferrin said:
Is it a prototype or an experimental vehicle?

Experimental. The ATD stood for Advanced Technology Demonstrator. It's basically an X-plane.
 

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FighterJock said:
blackkite said:
Super!! I can't see fan blades from air intake front in this video.

A sign of S-shaped ducts? or something else?

Japanese wikipedia say s that.......
”Coupled with the air intake duct of the engine was bent in the complex as well as the RCS are beetles of tens of kilometers away.”
 

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First flight.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Prototype_Japanese_stealth_fighter_makes_maiden_flight_999.html
 

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Empire said:
First flight.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Prototype_Japanese_stealth_fighter_makes_maiden_flight_999.html

I wish these stupid magazines/news agencies would stop calling it a prototype. It's not a prototype, it's a demonstrator.</rant off>
 

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Sundog said:
Empire said:
First flight.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Prototype_Japanese_stealth_fighter_makes_maiden_flight_999.html

I wish these stupid magazines/news agencies would stop calling it a prototype. It's not a prototype, it's a demonstrator.</rant off>

You are not the only one to be annoyed about that Sundog. :mad:
 

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Hi!

http://drawingdatabase.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Sukhoi_T-50-PAK-FA.jpg
 

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Hi! Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_X-2_Shinshin

And picture source.
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/harunakurama/c/8a104bb6871c1ce7cd3ed46a58d35704

http://www.nags-gallery.com/cgi-bin/bbs39/bbs39.cgi
 

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Are there any videos of the paddles engaged and deflecting thrust? I am guessing but I would assume any developmental follow on aircraft will switch to either 2D or symmetric vectoring nozzles (for stealth).
 

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Hi!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KtA9noHP8g
 

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I wonder why they didn't move the paddle with the engine on? Maybe being cautious on security although you can find old stuff like this (see 1:12 mark).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fspStedQCg
 

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You can also find lots of video of the X-31 doing paddle thrust vectoring.
 

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fredymac said:
I wonder why they didn't move the paddle with the engine on? Maybe being cautious on security although you can find old stuff like this (see 1:12 mark).

Risk management. In any test program you start with the simple low risk items, when you are convinced those are all working you move on to more complex higher risk tasks, in a gradual build up.
 

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It seems the aim is eventually to develop the F-3 fighter that will be more advanced than the F-35 due to US not allowing access to the most sensitive technologies so they will develop these themselves.

“With the F-35 programme we are not allowed access to the highest technologies that the US has,” says Doi. “Our experience can tell you that development programmes help our defence industry and can increase capabilities, knowledge, and skills.”

Japan envisages a one-year test campaign for the Mitsubishi X-2 technology demonstrator, with around 50 flights planned

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-tokyo-plans-50-x-2-flights-in-coming-year-424598/
 

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Flyaway said:
It seems the aim is eventually to develop the F-3 fighter that will be more advanced than the F-35 due to US not allowing access to the most sensitive technologies so they will develop these themselves.

So their first time out of the gate is going to be "more advanced" than an aircraft that is the result of decades of prior real-world experience? Really?
 

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sferrin said:
Flyaway said:
It seems the aim is eventually to develop the F-3 fighter that will be more advanced than the F-35 due to US not allowing access to the most sensitive technologies so they will develop these themselves.

So their first time out of the gate is going to be "more advanced" than an aircraft that is the result of decades of prior real-world experience? Really?

Assume the main reason for a F-3 is differences in requirement versus the F35 (more emphasis on interceptor/ air defence for the F-3) and to give the Japanese industry a domestic follow on to the F-2.
Claims of superiority versus the F35 probably intended for domestic consumption and to help justify the considerable extra development costs versus a larger F35 buy.
 

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Japan is buying the F-35. The F-35 is not the F-22. Japan wants the F-22. Japan cannot have the F-22. Japan is developing the F-3.

Is the F-3 more "advanced" than either of those other two airplanes? Who the hell knows, how are you defining "advanced", and it is optimized to their requirements for A2A that the neither the F-22 or F-35 meet; That last part is basic airplane configuration work, regardless of the technology employed.
 

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Do you have any information for F-22 reproduction? ;)
I believe JASDF still hope to get F-22. ;D
F-3 developmet needs very big money.
 

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Sundog said:
Japan is buying the F-35. The F-35 is not the F-22. Japan wants the F-22. Japan cannot have the F-22. Japan is developing the F-3.

Is the F-3 more "advanced" than either of those other two airplanes? Who the hell knows, how are you defining "advanced", and it is optimized to their requirements for A2A that the neither the F-22 or F-35 meet; That last part is basic airplane configuration work, regardless of the technology employed.

If USAF & politicians want to re-start the F-22 production they should offer it to the Japanese as well so the whole huge re-start cost doesn't all fall on Joe public in the US.
 

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Hi landing video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epikt-95wes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV-B0BV7XLk
 

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Anybody knows if structural tests were carried using X-2 flight airframe, or a second one was built for this purpose?
 

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One of ATD-X wind tunnel model was, actually, used for weapon bay aerodynamics studies as well
 

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Second X-2 flight May 18, 2016 at Gifu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz7vd1UuWXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBzuOGDxuqU
 

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