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Hi all,
work in progress for the Miles M58.
Still a lot to do.

Any comments most welcome.

Many thanks
Peter
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Dang Peter you really do some outstanding work!

Thanks for posting it.
 

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Many thanks for your kind comments.

I now realise that if the M58 was penned in 1945 the camo scheme may well have been the later dark sea grey upper surfaces and sky undersides and high fuselage sides.
Ah well any excuse... ;) looks like I'll have to do two, one of each scheme.

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A little further.
Any suggestions re: markings would be most welcome.

Many thanks.
Peter
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Here some samples
-Supermarine Seafire F.XV ,806 RN Squadron.HMS Glory ,April 1947.
-Supermarine Seafire FR.46 ,778 RN Squadron , Ford 1946.
-Hawker Sea Fury Mk X., 805 RAN ,HMAS Sydney 1948
-Blackburn Firebrand TF.5 ,813 RN Squadron, HMS Implacable 1948
-Blackburn Firecrest ,802 RN Squadron, HMS Ocean 1948.
 

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Once again many thanks Justo.

I now see I will have to adjust the fuselage roundel type and do the needful with the codes and serial numbers.

Easy to fix.

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Hi Jemiba
No problem.
2 camo schemes it is then.

Many thanks
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Hi
second version as suggested by Jemiba.
Post WW2 war/Korean war scheme.

Plus re-numbered version of first scheme.

Comments and suggestions very welcome and useful as always.
Not sure serials WE271 and FR244 are okay?

Many thanks
Peter
 

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810 Squadron RN ,HMS Theseus Korean Waters 1951
Nº 239 Royal Navy WB338
Nº 235 Royal Navy WB416
 

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812 Squadron RN ,HMS Glory Korean Waters 1951
Nº 209 Royal Navy WB381
 

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817 Squadron RN ,HMAS Sydney Korean Waters 1951
Nº 208 Royal Navy WB254
 

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821 Squadron RN ,HMS Glory Korean Waters 1951
Nº 205 Royal Navy VT488
Nº 206 Royal Navy ??????
 

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825 Squadron RN ,HMS Ocean Korean Waters 1952
Nº 288 Royal Navy WB416
 

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ID markings
 

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827 Squadron RN ,HMS Triumph Korean Waters 1952
Nº 281 Royal Navy MB687
 

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827 Squadron RN ,HMS Triumph Korean Waters 1952
Nº 276 Royal Navy ?????
 

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"827 Squadron RN ,HMS Triumph Korean Waters 1952"
Interesting to see, that in the Korean theatre the old scheme was
still used, too, thank you !

Great work on a very interesting aircraft, Peter !
I was thinking about the prospects, the M.58 could have had. Although it would
have been slower in level flight, than the De Havilland Vampire, I would guess, that
climb and range would have been better. And with two engines, the "bring-me-home"
characteristics may have been better, too, although at the price of higher maintenance
costs. But it could have gained many of the export orders, the Vampire got instead.
So a french or swiss M.58 seems not unrealistic to me ... ;D
And then a two-seater probably would have followed the single seat fighter !
 

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Thanks for the input Jemiba.

Hmmm...French or Swiss markings?That would make for an interesting twist.
I'll see what I can do.

Any refs of suitable French and Swiss schemes?

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Hmmm...French or Swiss markings?
 

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Absolutely brilliant Justo.

Many thanks.
Peter
 

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A little more work in progress.

Comments and advice very gratefully received.

Many thanks
Peter
 

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Oh my God. ... all I can say. But stay with FAA markings, if possible. British roudels look better than French... but Polish chequerboard is the best, of course. ;)
 

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What about Italian, post-WWII, markings??

Italy purchased a lot of DH 100 Vampires and produced them with licence (Macchi did the work).
 

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Polish chequer board? Did Poland buy Vampires?
I promise to do something in Polish markings in the future when a suitable candidate presents itself.
;D

Hi archipeppe,
Okay then, but if you can provide suitable references, I am happy to do it.

Its not too difficult to do as all the detailing, light and shade areas are done as layers, so its a matter of doing new camo/flat colour layers and adding markings, emblems and insignia etc.

;)This may need a profile set all of its own ;D

Many thanks
Peter
 

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Flitzer said:
Hi archipeppe,
Okay then, but if you can provide suitable references, I am happy to do it.

There are not so much references in that. Anyway the few ones I have are enclosed.
Many thanks in advance Peter!!!!!

P.S. Italians' Vampire markings are quite easy, they were all polish-metal with the classical three colours rounds and small wing markings in the tail (4° wing "Cavallino Rampante" or 6° wing "Diavoli Rossi"), with a small black band in the nose.
 

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Hi again archipeppe

Thanks very much.

On the third all metal view, is that a Ferrari-esque black rampant horse but on a white background to the shield?
''Cavallino Rampante''

Yes the markings will be quite easy to adapt, but the all metal surfaces will take a while longer.

Many thanks again
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Flitzer said:
On the third all metal view, is that a Ferrari-esque black rampant horse but on a white background to the shield?
''Cavallino Rampante''

Yes of course. It was the official marking of Francesco Baracca, the most important Italian ace of WWI, it was source of inspiration for Enzo Ferrari which was looking for a logo for its firm...
 

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"..British roudels look better than French.."

I like both ! Maybe the Aeronavale version even looks better with yellow and
black stripes of the Suez campaign ... ;)
And apart from the performances, this little aircraft would have had or not, it's
worth an entry in the "which project should have been built" list !
(picture from http://www.hyperscale.com/features/2000/f4u7dm_1.htm)
 

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We'll have our own multi-national air wing at this rate ;).

Cheers
Peter
 

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Czesc Peter ;)

Poland didn't buy Vampires or Meteors, but there were plans to do that after the war. Unfortunately Jalta and Teheran pushed Poland into Stalin's and communist hands. So, if there hadn't been Jalta Polish Air Force would have been equipped with British aircraft.
And this is only 'what if' topic, so why not British Secret Projects in Polish, afterwar, markings.
Nevertheless, your works are incredible. Stay with the British.

Pozdrawiam

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I'm convinced; a Polish M58 I will do. ;D


More help please.
Could anyone tell me the correct text for the tail of the French M58 (ringed) plus any other obviously missing decals/stencilling please?

Many thanks
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A bit difficult subject ...
Here some french Corsairs
 

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Here some french Corsairs (Post 2)
 

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Many thanks Justo.
I am sure I can get something from these.
Brilliant.

Cheers
Peter
 

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Hi
one last question re the M58 please (famous last words more like)

If ship-bourne where would the best location for the arrester hook be?
I sort of overlooked/forgot about it.

Many thanks
Peter
 

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