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MiG PAK DP (Prospective Airborne Complex of Long-Range Intercept) Program (MiG-41)

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XaHyMaH said:
Skyblazer said:
Very true, this... though I do wonder why they keep calling them this since they dropped Gurevich from the company's name quite a while ago... ::)
No they not. You can check migavia.ru site. I think some ones just too lazy to press Shift one more time ::)
You did not get my point here. I KNOW it's MiG and I know they still use it and spell it right!!!

What I said was: I wonder why Mikoyan continues to call their aircraft "MiG" considering Gurevich is no longer part of their company's name.

I guess TomS made a valid point about it though.
 

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Skyblazer said:
XaHyMaH said:
Skyblazer said:
Very true, this... though I do wonder why they keep calling them this since they dropped Gurevich from the company's name quite a while ago... ::)
No they not. You can check migavia.ru site. I think some ones just too lazy to press Shift one more time ::)
You did not get my point here. I KNOW it's MiG and I know they still use it and spell it right!!!

What I said was: I wonder why Mikoyan continues to call their aircraft "MiG" considering Gurevich is no longer part of their company's name.

I guess TomS made a valid point about it though.
It's a shame Boeing didn't so something similar as "McDonnell Douglas" has a hell of a lot more name recognition/better reputation when it comes to fighters than "Boeing".
 

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MiG is definitely a brandname. Sukhoi, not so much.
 

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PaulMM (Overscan) said:
MiG is definitely a brandname. Sukhoi, not so much.
"MiG" is practically synonymous with "Russian Fighter"
 

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http://www.janes.com/article/68102/russia-to-deploy-anti-satellite-weapon-on-mig-31bm
 

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"New Russian MiG interceptor will be able to operate in space – developer’s CEO"
Published time: 23 Aug, 2017 20:54
Edited time: 23 Aug, 2017 20:57

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https://www.rt.com/news/400687-russian-mig-interceptor-space/

The cutting-edge interceptor aircraft, which has been under development for several years, will be able to reach space and even potentially operate without a pilot, according to the CEO of the MiG corporation working on the project.

The research and development of the PAK DP (perspective aviation complex of long-range interceptor) was launched by the MiG Corporation in 2013. PAK DP, dubbed by media with the unofficial designation MiG-41, is expected to replace the aging long-range interceptor MiG-31 and its variants.

The new fighter will be a spiritual successor of MiG-31, MiG Corporation CEO Ilya Tarasenko stated, shedding some light on the interceptor under development.

[The development] is at the stage of finalizing the image of the plane. It will be a gradual transition from MiG-31 to PAK DA,” Tarasenko told RT at the Army-2017 expo in Kubinka on Wednesday.

The “Army-2017” forum is held in the “Patriot” Congress and Exhibition Center, Alabino Military Training Grounds and Kubinka Airfield in Moscow Region. The forum features cutting-edge novelties of the defense industrial complex and is a platform for holding negotiations and striking deals. Aside from the experts, the event also attracts the general public to marvel at the deadly military hardware on the ground and in the air.

The plane, however, will not be just a modernization of MiG-31, it will be an entirely new machine, having “the ability to operate in space, new weapons, new speeds, new operational range,” Tarasenko told Zvezda TV channel on Tuesday.

“It will be an entirely new plane, where entirely new technologies to operate in the Arctic zone will be utilized. This plane will safeguard the whole border of our homeland. Later, the project will become unmanned,” TASS quoted Tarasenko as saying.

While the plane is still under development, it might go to into production by the mid-2020s, Tarasenko believes.

"We’re shaping our technical offer, so that the customer would make a decision on the need to develop the plane. … According to our internal estimates, we should make it to the serial development in 2025,” Tarasenko told RT.

To meet expectations, the new plane should be able to fly at speeds at least four times faster than the speed of sound, Russian media earlier reported, citing renowned test pilot Anatoly Kvochur. If the plane would be able to reach such speeds, it would be likely packed, to some degree, with artificial intelligence control systems, to help human pilots to cope with the extreme flight conditions, aviation expert Fabrizio Poli said.

“It will have certain elements of artificial intelligence built into the jet, because, obviously, flying at those speeds, the human brain is not capable of thinking that fast,” Poli told RT. “There are a lot of new technologies going to be put into this aircraft, for sure.”

The plane might be also equipped with laser weapons, as Russia possesses prototypes of such arms, according to Vladimir Mikheev, an aide to the Radio-Electronic Technologies Concern Deputy CEO, who believes, however, that such systems will belong to the sixth-generation fighters.

“The laser weapons will allow this interceptor aircraft to intercept enemy missiles and disengage the targets,” Poli said.
 

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" it will be an entirely new machine, having “the ability to operate in space"

::)
 

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sferrin said:
" it will be an entirely new machine, having “the ability to operate in space"

::)
I think it is pretty clear that this is a mistranslation of the fact that it could carry anti-satellite weapons.
 

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Any idea as to what long-range missile the replacement interceptor would carry? A new version of the R-37 or the Novator long-range missile (it has been that long I have now forgotten the designation).
 

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Regards LR AAMs Izd.810 would be a likely candidate
 

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Jock1 said:
Regards LR AAMs Izd.810 would be a likely candidate
Thanks Jock1. In regard to Izd.810 are there any diagrams/photos of said missile available or is it too early in the design stage?
 

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according this sources
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/russia-claims-new-mig-41-interceptor-will-able-operate-space
https://in.rbth.com/economics/defence/2015/12/30/russia-developing-new-interceptor-aircraft_556283

It's called the MIG-41
MiG Corporation CEO Ilya Tarasenko told Zvezda TV channel.

"The jet, will not be just a modernisation of MiG-31, it will be an entirely new machine, having the ability to operate in space, new weapons, new speeds, new operational range ”

“It will be an entirely new plane, where entirely new technologies to operate in the Arctic zone will be utilised. This plane will safeguard the whole border of our homeland. Later, the project will become unmanned.”
Rumors claim that the Mig-41 will use an anti-missile laser and also will be a supersonic reconnaissance aircraft.
 

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Deino said:
Hmmm?? ???

https://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/1030407539345776640

I've been skeptical such a project exists, but MiG CEO Ilya Tarasenko says the PAK DP (aka MiG-41), a high-speed MiG-31 replacement, is not "mythical" and will be "presented to the public soon."
 

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Prob the study and some conceptual models.

Seems the aircraft itself still have "rubber" specifications.
 

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Any recent news about this project?
 

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Any recent news about this project?

Only latest news I received. https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3760814.html

"Prospects for the creation of a new generation aviation complex

In a special issue of the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper dated July 29, 2019, an interesting article was published by the Deputy Director for Development of Sukhoi Design Bureau, Deputy Chief Designer Viktor Popik. The bmpd blog cites the text of this material.


Scientific and technical reserve for the future

In aviation, they say that there was a design situation for creating a promising next-generation complex, after the necessary scientific and technical groundwork (NTZ) was created for all the most important technologies.

Consider these areas starting with materials and technologies. Speaking about the fighter, or about the next generation aircraft in general, all world and domestic experts agree that one of the main features of the aviation complex of the future is the presence of the so-called smart design, which is a power composite or metal panel with integrated control systems. It will be equipped with appropriate sensors, which will allow in the process of flying online to measure the level of stresses of elements, calculate and predict their resource. In the event of a defeat by enemy weapons, according to the built-in control system, the affected area will be determined, and the aircraft’s onboard central computer will make the necessary changes to the aircraft’s control system to continue the flight. Thus, the combat survivability of the aircraft is seriously increased.

Regarding the internal power frame of the aircraft - its future lies in designs created according to the principle of bionic design using additive technologies and 3D printing. Designed using specialized software, the design of the aircraft resembles the skeleton of a living organism. Due to this design, it will be easier and more rigid, and thanks to the use of 3D printing, the products will become more technological.

The second direction of NTZ formation is non-traditional aerodynamic configurations. In particular, foreign specialists in their activities show interest in aircraft with gas-dynamic aircraft control systems.

Attractive layouts with adaptive mechanization, which allows you to "smoothly" change the contours of the aircraft for specific flight conditions while maintaining their smoothness. These technologies make it possible to obtain an aerodynamic design of an airplane with adaptive elements. It attracts designers from the point of view of the ability to provide a combination of high maneuverability of the aircraft with an extremely low level of radar visibility.

The third area of research is related to the improvement of on-board equipment. Here, first of all, it is worth noting the development of electronic systems.

In the framework of studies of the future airplane, the possibility of creating a radio-photon radar is most actively discussed in print. It also examines no less interesting prospects for the development of distributed radio systems, in which electronic sensors are distributed over all the edges and surfaces of the aircraft complex, providing a circular electronic view.

We are studying, in particular, the simultaneous integration in the airborne radar station (BRL) of the functions of today independent systems: radar, electronic intelligence, jamming, communications and navigation. This option is not accidental.

The 6th generation aircraft should be even more inconspicuous. If we talk about ways to achieve this goal, it is necessary to take into account that one of the significant contributions to the visibility of the aircraft is its antenna compartments. The more there are, the higher the radar visibility of the aircraft, in addition, the antennas of the connected radio stations are omnidirectional. When transmitting information on air, the aircraft unmasks itself. One way to solve the problem of ensuring low visibility in this case may be the transmission of information by a narrow beam. Abroad, one of the options is the use of a phased array antenna. In this case, distributed phased array antennas are required, including those operating in the rear hemisphere of an aircraft. Such an antenna array can simultaneously solve all the previously mentioned tasks.

Intellectualization of the aircraft

Currently, there is an active development of the complex of on-board equipment (BWC) of the aircraft, which gives very serious positive results. For example, the Su-35 is built on the basis of a modernized airframe and fourth-generation engine. However, in its combat characteristics, it significantly surpasses classmates due to its developed avionics.
Therefore, speaking of medium-term prospects for the development of the potential of the combat complex, three directions should be noted.

The first is the improvement and development of its computing systems. At this stage, each new system is several times, or even an order of magnitude superior to its predecessors in performance. With more powerful computing tools integrated into a single computer network, it is possible to program a large number of tasks and accelerate the transfer of information between all aircraft systems to solve the most complex and costly tasks using all available on-board computing tools.

If before each system had its own calculator, which solved a certain range of tasks, now the designers have come to the stage when there will be a unified computer network on board. It will begin to independently distribute its resources to solve problems, depending on their priority and the workload of aircraft systems.

The next direction is the intellectual support of the crew. Su-57 already has such a powerful system, which can be called a full-fledged second "electronic pilot." It suggests options for battle tactics, automatically distributes targets, calculates various scenarios and gives recommendations for improving the effectiveness of actions.

Further development of such systems will lead to the possibility of creating an intelligent board that can effectively operate and even fight in an automatic mode without human intervention.

The third important direction is the creation of network-centric weapons systems, when the aircraft becomes one of the elements of a single network on the battlefield and exchanges information with all its participants in real time.

The solution to all these problems realigns the design bureau.

Since the beginning of this century, Sukhoi Design Bureau has been actively working on the integration of on-board equipment and the development of on-board software. Today, there are 50 percent more specialists in units dealing with issues related to on-board equipment than in traditional aircraft departments that solve the problems of creating a glider, a power plant and general aircraft systems.

It should be noted that even now at the 5th and subsequent generation air carriers, when creating a unified aircraft network, the emphasis is on the domestic element base, in particular on Elbrus processors.

Promising next-generation aviation systems will have to unite a whole group of new promising technologies, which should bring it to a qualitatively new technological level, significantly surpassing today's military aircraft systems."
 

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I got better news than the last news that was posted.


"MiG-31 interceptor will be equipped with new ultra-long-ran

Russia is not only developing hypersonic weapons, but also creating means of protection against them. As sources in the military-industrial complex told Izvestia, domestic engineers are now designing an ultra-long-range air-based missile capable of intercepting high-speed and maneuvering targets. According to experts, this work is extremely relevant today: the Pentagon has already announced plans to test four new hypersonic munitions in 2020. And the day before, US President Donald Trump said that Americans already have super-fast missiles that can move 5-7 times faster than conventional ones. The novelty will also come in handy for the fight against modern aircraft and cruise missiles. Today, only our country has hypersonic weapons, but many foreign countries are actively engaged in their creation.

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Long-range interception
The Ministry of Defense made a fundamental decision to develop for the MiG-31 fighter and the promising MiG-41 multifunctional long-range interceptor missile system (MPKR DP), capable of hitting hypersonic ammunition. According to Izvestia sources familiar with the situation, theoretical studies have already been carried out on an ultra-long-range air-to-air missile with a multiple warhead. Now determine the characteristics and composition of the complex. According to Izvestia, one of the candidates for the role of submunition (head blocks) is a promising medium-range missile K-77M.

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The complex under development is one of the options for such protection. Airborne heavy ammunition will deliver a warhead with several modern air-to-air missiles over a distance of several hundred kilometers. Then they will separate from the carrier and begin to search and attack targets on their own. An active homing head with its own radar will help them in this.

Such a system makes it possible to destroy objects at long range, said military expert Dmitry Kornev. This is necessary, for example, in order to hit the carrier before it launches its missiles.

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“ An ordinary anti-aircraft missile has one warhead,” he told Izvestia. - The probability of a miss on a hypersonic maneuvering target is very high. But if one ammunition carries several homing shells, then the chances of hitting a high-speed object are significantly increased.

According to the expert, in the case of firing IFRK DP at hypersonic targets, all warheads will be displayed at a pre-calculated point on the trajectory of a flying munition and attack it in the forehead. The use of ultra-long-range missiles will expand the area of destruction of the interceptor.

Especially effective is the use of the complex during aircraft operations as part of a single information space. Aerial targets, cruise or hypersonic missiles can be detected by ground-based radars, early warning radars, or an attack warning system. The fighter will only need to launch an ultra-long-range missile in the desired area. At the same time, the interceptor will not have to risk it himself, entering into an air battle."


Main Takeaways From My Perspective.

1. Several air to air missiles are being carried away at 700kms, the sub munitions like the K-77M are candidates to be carried by it. https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/the-su-57-is-only-as-dangerous-as-its-best-missile-why-the-k-77-will-be-a-game-changer-for-the-russian-air-force So if we include the range of the sub-munition candidates like the K-77M the range is pretty close to 900kms according to this source among others.

2. Serious radar performance might be needed if you want that 900km range with air to air missiles included to go for an aerial target, so a very high altitude is needed http://members.home.nl/7seas/radcalc.htm although we have yet to hear about the flight ceiling for this aircraft, instead of settling for a lower range. Although it was listed having a certain special radar in development, it is including other sources to help the aircraft launch the missile at a certain area where the aerial threat is and the carrier ultra long range missile holding those air to air missiles will definitely try to reach the aerial threat's area ASAP before dispersing a group of medium range air to air missiles like the K-77M.

A cool name for such a missile like this, I would call it the honey comb, or in russian соты (soty). Because it is literally like throwing a honeycomb at someone to get attacked by bees or medium range air to air missiles to be the case.
 
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