Loire-Nieuport designations

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Following the discussion of Nieuport vs. Loire-Nieuport designations in another topic, I'm starting this new thread to clearly distinguish the Loire and Loire-Nieuport production.

The list is probably very incomplete but it's a start.


LOIRE

11 Three-seat mail transport (1935, 2 built).
20 Colonial aircraft project powered by two 400 hp Hispano-Suiza.
30 Three-seat reconnaissance aircraft with three Salmson 9Ab engines (1932, one built).
301 Experimental three-seat test-bed for an armored turret, modified from Loire 30 (1934).
40 Single-seat lightweight fighter project with 300 hp Gnome & Rhône Titan II engine.
41 Single-seat lightweight fighter project with 500 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Mc engine.
42 Single-seat lightweight fighter project with 420 hp Gnome-Rhone 9 Asb Jupiter VII engine.
43 High gull-wing all-metal single-seat fighter prototype (1932, one built).
44 Single-seat lightweight fighter project with Hispano-Suiza engine in pusher position.
45 Single-seat fighter prototype (1933, one built).
46 High wing monoplane fighter derived from Loire 45, powered by Hispano-Suiza or Gnome & Rhone engine (1934, 61 built).
50 Small three-seat training and liaison amphibian with pusher Salmson 9Ab engine (1931, one built).
50 bis Same aircraft reengined with Hispano-Suiza 9 Qd.
501 Production version of Loire 50 bis as liaison type for Aéronavale with one Hispano-Suiza 9Qdr (1935, 6 built).
502 Projected variant with Lorraine Algol engine.
51 Projected variant of Loire 501.
60 Four-seat liaison flying boat with three Renault 4Pb engines (1932, one built).
601 Former Loire 60 reengined with just one Gnome & Rhône 9Adx engine (1933).
603 Same aircraft with a tractor Salmson engine, later used as a flying test-bed for the Loire 70.
70 Maritime patrol and recce flying boat with three Gnome & Rhône K.9 engines, including one in pusher position (1933, 8 built).
701 First Loire 70 re-engined with Hispano-Suiza engines.
102 "Bretagne" large transatlantic transport prototype, a competitor of the LeO H-47 (1936, one built).
130 Catapult-launched pusher patrol flying boat (1934, 124 built, including 111 for the Aéronavale and 12 for the Armée de l'air).
130.C Batch of five aircraft with reinforced structure for operation in the colonies.
210 (also found as the Loire 21 and Loire-Nieuport 210) Single-engine seaplane fighter (1937, 21 built).
240 See Loire-Nieuport LN-10.
250 Single-seat fighter prototype competing with LN-160 (1935, one built).


LOIRE-NIEUPORT

LN-10 (former Loire 240) Gull-wing twin-float twin-engine torpedo-bomber seaplane (1939, one built).
LN-160 (former Nieuport 160) Single-engine, single-seat fighter prototype, first LN-161 prototype when flown with Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine (1935).
LN-161 (former Nieuport 161) Fighter prototypes with Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs engine (also known as SNCAO 161) (3 built, 1936).
LN-20 Twin-engine twin-fin fighter project (1939).
LN-30 Very large flying boat airliner project, an enlarged derivative of the Loire 102 with six Hispano-Suiza 12Ydrs engines (became CAO.300).
LN-301 New designation of LN-31.
LN-31 (redesignated as LN-301) Variant of LN-30 with five Gnome & Rhône Lars 1 engines (1936).
LN-40 Single-seat single-engine dive-bomber prototype derived from the Ni-140 and LN-161 (1936).
LN-401 Production version of LN-40 for French Aéronavale (1939, 36 built).
LN-402 One LN-401 modified experimentally with a Hispano-Suiza 12Y-31 engine (1939).
LN-411 Production version of LN-40 for French Armée de l'air (1939, 40 built, all transferred to Aéronavale but one).
LN-42 Last LN-411 modified with entirely new wing and more powerful engine (1940).
LN-560 Dive-bomber project with Hispano-Suiza 12 Z engine.
LN-561 Dive-bomber project with Hispano-Suiza 12 Z engine.
LN-60 Single-seat fighter project, an optimised version of the LN-161 (became the CAO.200) (1938).


Useful links:
 
I added them even before you posted this, but thanks anyway! ;)
 
Hi,


the Loire 10 was a colonial aircraft project,powered by one 230 hp Salmson 9 Ab engine.


AFM magazine 04
 
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Hi,
Some additions from an article by Claveau in Trait d'Union no.247:
- Loire 53: Projected two-seat trainer variant of the Loire 50, with HS 9 Qdr engine
- the aircraft described above as "Loire 603" is called Loire 602 in the article
- Loire 62: Projected two-seat trainer variant of the Loire 601, with GR 9 Adx
- Loire 63: Projected three-seat observation variant of the Loire 601, with HS 9 Qdr
- various three- and four-engine configurations were initially considered for the Loire 70
- the series production Loire 70 was called Loire 70 S (confirmed in Les Ailes Françaises vol.2)
- the Loire 701 was a project only (confirmed in Les Ailes Françaises vol.2)
- Loire 80: three-engine derivative of the Loire 70, project only
- Loire 100: flying boat for the South Atlantic, four push-pull HS 9V engines on the wings
- Loire 101: similar to the Loire 100, same engines in tractor position (the two projects were superseded by the Loire 102)
- Loire 102M: military variant of the Loire 102
- name unknown: variant of the Loire 102 for Mediterranean service
- the two versions of the Loire 130 were sometimes called Loire 130 Métropole and Loire 130 Colonial (confirmed in Les Ailes Françaises vol.2)
- Loire 135: projected coastal observation variant of the Loire 130
- name unknown: projected transport variant of the Loire 130
- Loire 211: projected variant of the Loire 210 with GR 14 Mars
 
c460 said:
- name unknown: variant of the Loire 102 for Mediterranean service
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I think it was Loire-105 as in Messier site.
 
Hi,

LN-21 was developed from LN-20 as C.2 instead off C.3,a two-seat fighter Project
LN-43 was on-board from aircraft carrier,a version of LN-42
LN-70 ------?
LN-80 was a redesigned of LN-21
 
From TU magazine,

602 was a version of Type-601,but powered by three 230 hp Salmson 9Ad engines,mounted in pulling
position.
 
Hi,

in 1934 competition,for South Transatlantic aircraft,Loire submitted a proposal,powered by three
engines,but remained a project,I have a strong feeling it was Loire Type-90 ?.
 
My dear Airman,

SNCAC NC.600 was not related to Loire-Nieuport (later SNCAO) LN-600,and I think it was a mistake and he might mean LN.400 ?.
 
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hesham said:
SNCAC NC.600 was not related to Loire-Nieuport (later SNCAO) LN-600,and I think it was a mistake and he might mean LN.400 ?.
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Why? In the link, aviadrix specifically describes a "carrier torpedo bomber". So, his "LN 600" obviously refers to the built SNCAO CAO 600 prototype.

I'm curious as to how an unfinished T3 project for the Armée de l'Air would relate to the CAO 600? Are you suggesting that the Algol-powered LN 400/CAO 400 employed an airframe related to that of the naval CAO 600?
 
Apophenia said:
Why? In the link, aviadrix specifically describes a "carrier torpedo bomber". So, his "LN 600" obviously refers to the built SNCAO CAO 600 prototype.

I'm curious as to how an unfinished T3 project for the Armée de l'Air would relate to the CAO 600? Are you suggesting that the Algol-powered LN 400/CAO 400 employed an airframe related to that of the naval CAO 600?
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Yes it's,you get it my dear Apophenia,it was SNCAO CAO,600 and not LN-600,wrong
designation.
 
c460 said:
Hi,
Some additions from an article by Claveau in Trait d'Union no.247:
- Loire 53: Projected two-seat trainer variant of the Loire 50, with HS 9 Qdr engine
- the aircraft described above as "Loire 603" is called Loire 602 in the article
- Loire 62: Projected two-seat trainer variant of the Loire 601, with GR 9 Adx
- Loire 63: Projected three-seat observation variant of the Loire 601, with HS 9 Qdr
- various three- and four-engine configurations were initially considered for the Loire 70
- the series production Loire 70 was called Loire 70 S (confirmed in Les Ailes Françaises vol.2)
- the Loire 701 was a project only (confirmed in Les Ailes Françaises vol.2)
- Loire 80: three-engine derivative of the Loire 70, project only
- Loire 100: flying boat for the South Atlantic, four push-pull HS 9V engines on the wings
- Loire 101: similar to the Loire 100, same engines in tractor position (the two projects were superseded by the Loire 102)
- Loire 102M: military variant of the Loire 102
- name unknown: variant of the Loire 102 for Mediterranean service
- the two versions of the Loire 130 were sometimes called Loire 130 Métropole and Loire 130 Colonial (confirmed in Les Ailes Françaises vol.2)
- Loire 135: projected coastal observation variant of the Loire 130
- name unknown: projected transport variant of the Loire 130
- Loire 211: projected variant of the Loire 210 with GR 14 Mars
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The problem is that if the new book about company speaks only about these projects,which we already know them !.
 
In my new book,you will find more projects about Loire and Loire-Nieuport.
 
Stargazer said:
LOIRE-NIEUPORT

LN-160 (former Nieuport 160) Single-engine, single-seat fighter prototype, first LN-161 prototype when flown with Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine (1935).
LN-161 (former Nieuport 161) Fighter prototypes with Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs engine (also known as SNCAO 161) (3 built, 1936).
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Hello,
I don't fully agree with this: the Nie 160 and Nie 161 never became LN-160/161.

An internal memo, number 682 of December 19th, 1935, specifies that even numbers are assigned to the studies of the Issy-les-Moulineaux office (Nieuport), while odd numbers are assigned to those of the Saint-Nazaire office (Loire). LN-10, 30 and 50 are reserved for Loire office, LN-20, 40 and 60 for Nieuport. But this memo also precise that this new numbering does not apply on planes already ordered: Nie 160, Nie 161, Loire 210 and Loire 250 did not change. Only the Loire 240 became LN-10.

One year after, November 10th, 1936, another internal memo explains the new designation for SNCAO, which absorbed Loire-Nieuport: "the said prototypes will have as a general designation the following grouping of letters: C.A.O. followed by all the definitions established by the standards sheets. It is of course understood that Saint-Nazaire will take the odd numbers and Issy-les-Moulineaux the even numbers. However , the L.N.10 will keep its name". As a consequence, CAO 100, 300, 500 and 700 were reserved for Saint-Nazaire office, and CAO 200, 400 and 600 for Issy-les-Moulineaux. Once again, application was not retroactive: the LN-10, which had been ordered in between never became a CAO. On the contrary, the LN-60 project became CAO 200.

Hope it clarifies.
PhR
 
Hi,

of course Stargazer and C460 (Adrien) did a great job here,and in my files,
the Loire & Loire-Nieuport list as following,definitely it was included a civil
projects,

Loire : 10,11,20(First use),21,20,30,301,32,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,50,50 Imp,50bis,
501,502,503,51,52,60,60 Imp,601,602,603,61,62,63,70,70S,701,71,80,90 ?,100,101,
102,102M,110 ?,120 ?,130,130M,130C,130 Imp,135,140 ?,210,211,240 & 250

Loire-Nieuport : LN 10,20,21,30 (First use),31,301,30,40,401,402,41,42,43,560,
561,60,70 ?,80 ?
 
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