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I've noticed that there ain't no general Gripen thread for the legacy models, so maybe it's okay to make a new thread about it I've thought. This thread is also intended to gather the links to numerous other Gripen related threads within the forum and other forums of SP. Mods, if you think this thread is unnecessary, I suggest deleting/merging it with "SAAB Gripen NG" thread and rename the said thread as simply "SAAB Gripen".

Gripen development :
design and development of original Gripen (secret postwar aircraft projects)
Gripen E/F (aviation & space)

Gripen avionics :
radar and other general Gripen avionics (avionics and military/naval electronics forum)
Gripen MFD/WAD (avionics and military/naval electronics forum)
Gripen data link and other Swedish communications systems (avionics and military/naval electronics forum)

possible Gripen developments that have been discussed :
silent/stealthy Gripen (secret postwar aircraft projects)
imaginary stealth Gripen art and some discussions (the bar)
navalized Gripen (aviation & Space)

Gripen in competitions overseas :
what-if about Gripen-like planes that didn't realize (alternative history and future speculation)
Gripen withdrawn from Belgian fighter contest (aviation & space)
Gripen backtracked by Bulgarian gov. in their fighter contest (aviation & space)
Brazilian Meteor acquisition for their Gripens (aviation & space)

Gripen in action :
Gripen in joint Thai-Chinese exercise (military)
 
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There have been reports from Philippines that a deal for acquiring 14 MS20 Gripen C/Ds is near as part of their Horizon 2 military modernization efforts. The fighter acquisition plan included in the Horizon 2 is said to be a $1.2 billion program with aims to procure 12 or more airframes. Candidates of the program were block 70/72 Viper and Gripen or simply adding more FA-50s. Since the FA-50 is closer to a light-attack aircraft than a fighter, the Philippine Air Force wanted an actual fighter jet capable of BVR engagement. Problem was that any 4.5th gen fighter jets were too expensive and other used 4th gen options had too much flight-hours on the aircraft for the Filipino program.

The Swedes later on were able to strike the deal that is not only within the budget but actually cheaper. This was able due to the fact that there were surplus Gripen C/Ds that were produced during the 2010s to keep the Gripen production line alive. (https://www.svd.se/staten-betalade-saab-for-14-gripenskrov--star-oanvanda) The Swedish gov. funded the production but they were anticipating those 14 airframes to be able to be sold overseas. That anticipation has not been realized for quite some time until now. The stop-gap Gripens were comprised of 10 C models and 4 D models and were part of the contract for Gripen E/Fs of the Swedish AF.

The said deal is around $400 million cheaper than the LM proposal for 12 Block 70/72s, so that means the program cost for these Gripens are less than $84 million per airframe. I've never seen that cheap of a fighter jet in recent years. I guess there were some costs cut from the Swedish side as well since it is hard to expect for anyone to buy Gripen C/Ds nowadays and it's better to sell them off rather than leaving them sit with almost 0 flight hours.
 

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Since noone has discussed much about MS20, I would like to talk about it as well. I think its the most interesting development for the Gripen in the recent years.

The known improvements are :

Meteor, SDB, RBS-15 Mk.4 integrated
Litening III integrated
4th iteration of PS-05 with new radar modes
Link-16 interoperability improved
improved peacetime operability with civil air control systems
GCAS

please add if anyone knows further improvements
 

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Gripen C/Ds are probably the best option for the Philippines (baring any Indonesian type F-16 modernization)
MS20 also allows for small diameter bombs too, the perfect "swarming" weapon for any pesky boat incursion.

How many "legacy" Gripen's are being stored in Sweden? Several dozen A/B models were not modernized I believe.
 

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How many "legacy" Gripen's are being stored in Sweden? Several dozen A/B models were not modernized I believe
I have the same question... Wikipedia is quite confusing.

If I remember correctly, Argentina was also interested but the UK veto made any deal impossible... or perhaps take some low hours Gripen A/Bs, strip out any UK gear and replace with Israeli components?
 

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Gripen C/Ds are probably the best option for the Philippines (baring any Indonesian type F-16 modernization)
MS20 also allows for small diameter bombs too, the perfect "swarming" weapon for any pesky boat incursion.

How many "legacy" Gripen's are being stored in Sweden? Several dozen A/B models were not modernized I believe.
By my counting, around 70, from which the majority are A/Bs. I wouldn't be surprised though, if a lot of those aircrafts were partially stripped/carnivalized for parts. It's a typical practice even for operational aircrafts, so I think it's a no-brainer. Saab also once talked about using existing C/D aircrafts to strip of its parts and use it for E/F productions so I don't expect much problem using stored A/B or C/D to harvest some parts for the operational ones.
 
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How many "legacy" Gripen's are being stored in Sweden? Several dozen A/B models were not modernized I believe
I have the same question... Wikipedia is quite confusing.

If I remember correctly, Argentina was also interested but the UK veto made any deal impossible... or perhaps take some low hours Gripen A/Bs, strip out any UK gear and replace with Israeli components?
I would really like to know where those aircrafts are stored as well, as like you've said, Wikipedia ain't much of a help, even the Swedish one.
 

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The Swedish Wikipedia actually confirms what I've said. I'v somehow skipped over that part.

"Since the decision in the Swedish Parliament, it is agreed that the future Gripen fleet will consist of only 100 Gripen planes, it may seem that 104 (204 - 100) Gripen planes are redundant. In fact, 40 have been sold / leased (all of which probably lead to purchases), 7 have crashed and several are used for both Swedish and English test pilot operations. Many have been scrapped to obtain "free" spare parts, so redundancy is very modest."
 
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Exact numbers from 2014:

Index of the 204 individuals. [ 46 ]
  • 98 operational aircrafts of the C / D version.
  • 32 dismantled or destroyed.
  • 28 on lease to the Czech Republic and Hungary.
  • 24 stocked in hangars pending settlement.
  • 12 have been sold to Thailand
  • 4 have been used as test aircraft.
  • 4 have crashed.
  • 2 have been donated to the Air Force Museum in Sweden, and the Royal Thai Air Force Museum in Thailand.
gripenkarta-2000.jpg

Now the question will be where those 24 stocked aircrafts are and if the Swedes have any potential customers, be it sales or leasing.
 

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Exact numbers from 2014:

Index of the 204 individuals. [ 46 ]
  • 98 operational aircrafts of the C / D version.
  • 32 dismantled or destroyed.
  • 28 on lease to the Czech Republic and Hungary.
  • 24 stocked in hangars pending settlement.
  • 12 have been sold to Thailand
  • 4 have been used as test aircraft.
  • 4 have crashed.
  • 2 have been donated to the Air Force Museum in Sweden, and the Royal Thai Air Force Museum in Thailand.
View attachment 658386

Now the question will be where those 24 stocked aircrafts are and if the Swedes have any potential customers, be it sales or leasing.
Now that's a great infographic! A little shocked how few "standby" airframes remain, but the Swedish E/F models are going to be new built now anyways.
 

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Exact numbers from 2014:

Index of the 204 individuals. [ 46 ]
  • 98 operational aircrafts of the C / D version.
  • 32 dismantled or destroyed.
  • 28 on lease to the Czech Republic and Hungary.
  • 24 stocked in hangars pending settlement.
  • 12 have been sold to Thailand
  • 4 have been used as test aircraft.
  • 4 have crashed.
  • 2 have been donated to the Air Force Museum in Sweden, and the Royal Thai Air Force Museum in Thailand.
View attachment 658386

Now the question will be where those 24 stocked aircrafts are and if the Swedes have any potential customers, be it sales or leasing.
Now that's a great infographic! A little shocked how few "standby" airframes remain, but the Swedish E/F models are going to be new built now anyways.
The thing is, since the Swedes want to keep 100 fighter jets and will build total of 60 E/F aircrafts, there obviously would be another 60 C/D Gripens getting mothballed or stripped of parts. That would mean some airframes retiring before 30 years of service, unless they deliver every single one of those first 36 aircrafts to be manufactured to Brazil before Swedish AF.

In my view, that is, while there are airforces who still operate MiG-21s, F-4s, F-5s, A-4s, Mirage 3s and Mirage F1s, a bit of a waste of a good aircraft.
 

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Exact numbers from 2014:

Index of the 204 individuals. [ 46 ]
  • 98 operational aircrafts of the C / D version.
  • 32 dismantled or destroyed.
  • 28 on lease to the Czech Republic and Hungary.
  • 24 stocked in hangars pending settlement.
  • 12 have been sold to Thailand
  • 4 have been used as test aircraft.
  • 4 have crashed.
  • 2 have been donated to the Air Force Museum in Sweden, and the Royal Thai Air Force Museum in Thailand.
View attachment 658386

Now the question will be where those 24 stocked aircrafts are and if the Swedes have any potential customers, be it sales or leasing.
Now that's a great infographic! A little shocked how few "standby" airframes remain, but the Swedish E/F models are going to be new built now anyways.
The thing is, since the Swedes want to keep 100 fighter jets and will build total of 60 E/F aircrafts, there obviously would be another 60 C/D Gripens getting mothballed or stripped of parts. That would mean some airframes retiring before 30 years of service, unless they deliver every single one of those first 36 aircrafts to be manufactured to Brazil before Swedish AF.

In my view, that is, while there are airforces who still operate MiG-21s, F-4s, F-5s, A-4s, Mirage 3s and Mirage F1s, a bit of a waste of a good aircraft.
im surprised they dont think there is a market for these used C/Ds.
in many ways the Gripen to me is like an updated F-20, just with a delta canard.

should sell them to Vietnam. they have a ton of MiG-21s that could be replaced.
 

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Exact numbers from 2014:

Index of the 204 individuals. [ 46 ]
  • 98 operational aircrafts of the C / D version.
  • 32 dismantled or destroyed.
  • 28 on lease to the Czech Republic and Hungary.
  • 24 stocked in hangars pending settlement.
  • 12 have been sold to Thailand
  • 4 have been used as test aircraft.
  • 4 have crashed.
  • 2 have been donated to the Air Force Museum in Sweden, and the Royal Thai Air Force Museum in Thailand.
View attachment 658386

Now the question will be where those 24 stocked aircrafts are and if the Swedes have any potential customers, be it sales or leasing.
Now that's a great infographic! A little shocked how few "standby" airframes remain, but the Swedish E/F models are going to be new built now anyways.
The thing is, since the Swedes want to keep 100 fighter jets and will build total of 60 E/F aircrafts, there obviously would be another 60 C/D Gripens getting mothballed or stripped of parts. That would mean some airframes retiring before 30 years of service, unless they deliver every single one of those first 36 aircrafts to be manufactured to Brazil before Swedish AF.

In my view, that is, while there are airforces who still operate MiG-21s, F-4s, F-5s, A-4s, Mirage 3s and Mirage F1s, a bit of a waste of a good aircraft.
im surprised they dont think there is a market for these used C/Ds.
in many ways the Gripen to me is like an updated F-20, just with a delta canard.

should sell them to Vietnam. they have a ton of MiG-21s that could be replaced.
Thailand wants to buy another squadron, but their cash is non-existent for the next few years. Vietnam will be an interesting play, I think they’re getting P-3s and a coast guard cutter too. Maybe Saab could sweeten the deal with local manufacturing.
 

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im surprised they dont think there is a market for these used C/Ds.
in many ways the Gripen to me is like an updated F-20, just with a delta canard.

should sell them to Vietnam. they have a ton of MiG-21s that could be replaced.
Well, the problem is exactly that : it is the modern day equivalent of F-20. We all know what happened to F-20 once the US was okay with selling F-16s abroad without much compromise. There were some close calls like in Morocco, Korea and Bahrain but those never materialized. Taiwan was the other close call as well, but I wouldn't call the Taiwanese case a "general" case from which I could make an argument for other chances the F-20 had. I mean, the whole premise was to sell this plane where the F-16 wasn't allowed.

Gripen, quite frankly, shares the same problem to the F-20. Obviously very understandable since they use the same engine. Most of the times, anyone who does have a functional air force and an economy big enough to buy 4th gen fighter jet was able to buy F-16. Anyone who doesn't are more interested in the FA-50 since its orders of magnitude cheaper. And just like the F-20, Gripen's sales weren't spot free of corruption allegations.
 

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im surprised they dont think there is a market for these used C/Ds.
in many ways the Gripen to me is like an updated F-20, just with a delta canard.

should sell them to Vietnam. they have a ton of MiG-21s that could be replaced.
Well, the problem is exactly that : it is the modern day equivalent of F-20. We all know what happened to F-20 once the US was okay with selling F-16s abroad without much compromise. There were some close calls like in Morocco, Korea and Bahrain but those never materialized. Taiwan was the other close call as well, but I wouldn't call the Taiwanese case a "general" case from which I could make an argument for other chances the F-20 had. I mean, the whole premise was to sell this plane where the F-16 wasn't allowed.

Gripen, quite frankly, shares the same problem to the F-20. Obviously very understandable since they use the same engine. Most of the times, anyone who does have a functional air force and an economy big enough to buy 4th gen fighter jet was able to buy F-16. Anyone who doesn't are more interested in the FA-50 since its orders of magnitude cheaper. And just like the F-20, Gripen's sales weren't spot free of corruption allegations.

unlike the F-20 however, the Gripen at least has some solid user base, even if its small.
could be good for a country like Vietnam, an entry way to western muntions, but not a direct sale by the US, which might alarm China.

as for the F-16.. well not wanting to open a can of worms.. but is the F-16 superior to the Gripen? :p
at least looking at these older ones.. Gripen C/D vs F-16 block 50s and older
 

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im surprised they dont think there is a market for these used C/Ds.
in many ways the Gripen to me is like an updated F-20, just with a delta canard.

should sell them to Vietnam. they have a ton of MiG-21s that could be replaced.
Well, the problem is exactly that : it is the modern day equivalent of F-20. We all know what happened to F-20 once the US was okay with selling F-16s abroad without much compromise. There were some close calls like in Morocco, Korea and Bahrain but those never materialized. Taiwan was the other close call as well, but I wouldn't call the Taiwanese case a "general" case from which I could make an argument for other chances the F-20 had. I mean, the whole premise was to sell this plane where the F-16 wasn't allowed.

Gripen, quite frankly, shares the same problem to the F-20. Obviously very understandable since they use the same engine. Most of the times, anyone who does have a functional air force and an economy big enough to buy 4th gen fighter jet was able to buy F-16. Anyone who doesn't are more interested in the FA-50 since its orders of magnitude cheaper. And just like the F-20, Gripen's sales weren't spot free of corruption allegations.

unlike the F-20 however, the Gripen at least has some solid user base, even if its small.
could be good for a country like Vietnam, an entry way to western muntions, but not a direct sale by the US, which might alarm China.

as for the F-16.. well not wanting to open a can of worms.. but is the F-16 superior to the Gripen? :p
at least looking at these older ones.. Gripen C/D vs F-16 block 50s and older
There surely are some arguments to be made about the avionics, but size matters for the fighters, too, you know. :p At least I would take the F-16 Blk.50/52 over Gripen C/D for most of the cases, given that their costs are more or less equivalent. This was clearly the case in reality as well I feel.

As for potential customers of used Gripens in SEA region, I would rather count Vietnam out, as it doesn't seem to be the case that they are seriously considering a transition into western systems. They seem more than happy to stick with their Russian stuffs imo, unlike its neighbors Indonesia and Malaysia.

Countries like Thailand, Philippines and Malaysia are rather more suitable customers and 2 of them already have/are getting the Gripen. I think more Gripens in those countries is a possibility as well.
 
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The F-16 is superior to the F-20 / Grippen on one peculiar point: size and growth margins. The Tigershark and Gripen were designed as small and light as possible for historical reasons.

In the case of the F-20, it was obviously related to the F-5 legacy.

In the case of Gripen, the reason was called Viggen. When I first heard of the Gripen 25 years ago, I was shocked to see it was something like 20 or even 30% smaller than the Saab before it. Usually fighters grow larger and heavier with each generation, or at best stick close (Mirage III & 2000 are case in point).
Sweden deliberately went the opposite way but they pushed a little too far, the Gripen paid a price to that related to range and growth potential.

Gripen's bane is indeed the F-16 4500+ airframes production run that obviously led to a very large number of second or even third hand aircraft at absurdly low prices... this also befell the Mirage 2000 late variants and partially explains why post 2006 Dassault dropped it and concentrated on the Rafale. The 2000 was already a lost cause to F-16s and at the time, the Rafale was fast becoming a lost cause to the coming F-35 steamroller.

It is a shame because on paper at least, a Mirage 2000-20 (let's call it this way for the fun of it) could have benefited from digital FBW, a growth variant of the M88 plus all the shiny avionics and weaponry created for the Rafale.
 
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The F-16 is superior to the F-20 / Grippen on one peculiar point: size and growth margins. The Tigershark and Gripen were designed as small and light as possible for historical reasons.

In the case of the F-20, it was obviously related to the F-5 legacy.

In the case of Gripen, the reason was called Viggen. When I first heard of the Gripen 25 years ago, I was shocked to see it was something like 20 or even 30% smaller than the Saab before it. Usually fighters grow larger and heavier with each generation, or at best stick close (Mirage III & 2000 are case in point).
Sweden deliberately went the opposite way but they pushed a little too far, the Gripen paid a price to that related to range and growth potential.

Gripen's bane is indeed the F-16 4500+ airframes production run that obviously led to a very large number of second or even third hand aircraft at absurdly low prices...

I wonder if the lack of export success in the Viggen,
pushed them to reconsider size, and go back to a lighter design.. like the Draken which was successful.

i wish they stuck with the Splinter camo too
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It's hard to say that Gripen suffered from a lighter weight.
First, Gripen customers are not the same as those of the Falcon or M2K which have a far greater emphasis on expeditionary OP.
Secondly, the weight loss is mostly a result of CFRP. Had the M2K been upgraded that way, it would have weighted only a couple of hundred kilogrammes more.
Last but not least, Gripen avionics has always been in par with any medium fighter but the latest blocks F-16 at any time.
To this day, Gripen C/D have a radar equivalent in performance to that of a non AEASA Rafale (most of them). Their wide angle HUD and flat screen pannels were top notch at the time.
 

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The Gripen is an excellent machine.
The problem is that the F-16 is also excellent and was the more mature design and because of the scale of the project behind it (including substantial US Military aid) would be invariably cheaper and more directly plugged into US weapon and system developments.
And with the F-16C and subsequent developments (conformal tanks etc.) the range/ payload advantage of the F-16 opened up (offering very meaningful advantage over the Gripen A-D, particularly for long range mission profiles and capacity in the strike fighter role.)
The Swedes themselves saw they needed more payload/ range capacity as reflected in the Gripen E/F. This doesn’t make the Gripen A-D a bad aircraft, there’s just a limit of how much capacity can be generated from an aircraft of a certain weight class of a given level of technology.
And if countries can buy a slightly heavier longer range and at least equally capable aircraft for less, it’s really not that hard a decision unless there are political aspects or other factors at play.
 

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The Gripen is an excellent machine.
The problem is that the F-16 is also excellent and was the more mature design and because of the scale of the project behind it (including substantial US Military aid) would be invariably cheaper and more directly plugged into US weapon and system developments.
And with the F-16C and subsequent developments (conformal tanks etc.) the range/ payload advantage of the F-16 opened up (offering very meaningful advantage over the Gripen A-D, particularly for long range mission profiles and capacity in the strike fighter role.)
The Swedes themselves saw they needed more payload/ range capacity as reflected in the Gripen E/F. This doesn’t make the Gripen A-D a bad aircraft, there’s just a limit of how much capacity can be generated from an aircraft of a certain weight class of a given level of technology.
And if countries can buy a slightly heavier longer range and at least equally capable aircraft for less, it’s really not that hard a decision unless there are political aspects or other factors at play.
so do you think the Gripen E/F solves what was missing in the A-D and keeps it within range of late development F-16s, despite sharing a lotof the same form factor as its predecessor?
 

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At this stage it’s not really a “versus the F-16” game for the Gripen E/F anymore, the F-16 is also a niche player (though the fact that the F-16V or other new F-16s are likely significantly cheaper certainly won’t help prospective Gripen sales).
The reality is that the Gripen E/F keeps the Gripen alive and competitive versus the likes of the Typhoon and Rafale, but it is still living on relatively small potential sales and markets as the F-35s sells in far larger numbers and other countries look to develop and field their own domestic fighters, or just won’t be in a position to be allowed to buy and/ or afford the Gripen E/F (with the US being in a position to block any proposed export they wish to, though unlikely the Swedes would wish to pursue any such cases).
Don’t get me wrong I think for many countries everything else being equal for many countries the Gripen E/F would be a very sensible choice. But everything is seldom equal for such decisions (economics, budgets, local and international politics, details of off-set deals, development of local industries, etc.).
 

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At this stage it’s not really a “versus the F-16” game for the Gripen E/F anymore, the F-16 is also a niche player (though the fact that the F-16V or other new F-16s are likely significantly cheaper certainly won’t help prospective Gripen sales).
is the F-16V that much cheaper than the Gripen E/F?

i get arounnd 100-125 million USD for Gripen E/F based on the Brazil sale (including support and other items)

not sure about the f-16V, but the recent Slovak sale (not sure which version) seems to put their F-16 around 60 million?
although this link says the Taiwan one is about 122 million, roughly the same as Gripen
 
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get arounnd 100-125 million USD for Gripen E/F based on the Brazil sale (including support and other items)

not sure about the f-16V, but the recent Slovak sale (not sure which version) seems to put their F-16 around 60 million?
IIRC the sales to Brazil was quite a desparate, do or bust kind of a deal. Would be hard to expect those numbers offered everywhere.

Slovak deal for Block 70/72 was around $170 million program cost per aircraft, iirc. The aircraft themselves are just around $50~60 million flyaway.
 
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Brazil is the only major export for Gripen. All the others are small numbers, and most of those "exports" are actually leases of aircraft Saab already built. Far fewer than Typhoon or Rafale.
 

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Brazil is the only major export for Gripen. All the others are small numbers, and most of those "exports" are actually leases of aircraft Saab already built. Far fewer than Typhoon or Rafale.
40, to be exact, were those leased/sold from the original Flygvapnet order. Afaik only the SAR has bought a non-Flygvapnet Gripen C/D.
 

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hmm just for personal reference, but probably useful for others here

Exports (includes planned)

Gripen C/D
South Africa - 26 (counting the 2 lost)
Thailand - 18
Czech - 14 (lease)
Hungary - 14 (lease to buy)

Gripen E/F
Brazil - 28 (but likely another purchase of 72)

Gripen CD Total - 72
All Gripen total - 100 (or up to 172)

Viggen - 0 exports
Draken - 125 (24 Austria 50 Finland 51 Denmark).

if the Brazilian order gets fully realized, then Gripen could be more successful on the export market than the Draken?

on a related note
Golden Eagle (64 exports thus far, Indonesia 16, Iraq 24, Philippines 12, Thai 12)
not bad either, close to that of the C/D Gripens
 

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hmm just for personal reference, but probably useful for others here

Exports (includes planned)

Gripen C/D
South Africa - 26 (counting the 2 lost)
Thailand - 18
Czech - 14 (lease)
Hungary - 14 (lease to buy)

Gripen E/F
Brazil - 28 (but likely another purchase of 72)

Gripen CD Total - 72
All Gripen total - 100 (or up to 172)

Viggen - 0 exports
Draken - 125 (24 Austria 50 Finland 51 Denmark).

if the Brazilian order gets fully realized, then Gripen could be more successful on the export market than the Draken?

on a related note
Golden Eagle (64 exports thus far, Indonesia 16, Iraq 24, Philippines 12, Thai 12)
not bad either, close to that of the C/D Gripens
Small corrections,

Brazil's initial batch are 36 aircrafts. Same number for the second batch as well and probably even for the third batch, given the discussed number for the additional Gripen order was 72. So 108 aircrafts in total divided in 3 batches of 36 aircrafts.

Thailand is getting another 4 Golden Eagles. Actually, I can't find any reportings about those 4 additional Gripens for Thailand. Maybe you've mixed it up with the T-50?
 
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Photos from 2018 during the Bulgarian fighter jet program.

It seems to be that the MS20 is divided into 2 iterations : one from 2016 and further improved, more radical upgrade package that was planned for 2020.

It reminds me of Rafale standard F4-1 and F4-2. I'd say the Gripen MS20 (2020) is comparable to the F4-2 in terms of that the F4-2 is much more radical change over the F4-1.

I'm not sure though, if that plan of developing a further improved MS20 package (MS20 (2020))actually realised or not. As we know the Gripen lost out in every single fighter jet program since Brazil, including the one in Bulgaria where these slides were presented. Those articles from Janes or FG and other defence related news outlets were only mentioning the components of MS20 (2016) when reporting the recent upgrade of Thai Gripens to MS20. (in every article I've read the Mk.4 radar or improved ECCM planned for 2020 were not mentioned but only the "new radar modes", which according to these slides seems to be LRS and LPI mode.)

Courtsey @gripennews and @krasi_grozev on twitter.
 
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