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Former Google CEO plans to singlehandedly fund a Hubble telescope replacement

Named for the deep sky blue of the rock Lapis lazuli, Lazuli is an optical space telescope with a mirror diameter of 3.1 meters (by comparison, the primary mirror of the Hubble Space Telescope is 2.4 meters). It is intended to launch as early as late 2028 and begin scientific operations in 2029.

There are some notable differences between Hubble and Lazuli, starting with the orbit. Lazuli will be located much farther from Earth, in an elliptical orbit with an apogee of 275,000 km and a perigee of 77,000 km, the latter distance about twice as high as geostationary orbit. This will afford the telescope a much clearer view than Hubble, located about 500 km above Earth and increasingly affected by the passage of Starlink and other communications satellites in its observations. At this higher altitude the Lazuli team believes it can maintain control of the telescope at all times and have a rapid data downlink.

The other three telescopes that will be funded by the Schmidts will be based on the ground, in the southern and western United States, but they are no less innovative than Lazuli. All three of the proposed telescopes are modular and take advantage of recent advances in computing power, storage, and AI processing and analyzing data.
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Today at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society, Schmidt Sciences, a foundation backed by billionaires Eric and Wendy Schmidt, announced one of the largest ever private investments in astronomy: funding for an orbiting observatory larger than NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope, along with funds to build three novel ground-based observatories. The project aims to have all four components up and running by the end of the decade.

“We’re providing a new set of windows into the universe,” says Stuart Feldman, president of Schmidt Sciences, which will manage the observatory system. Time on the telescopes will be open to scientists worldwide, and data harvested by them will be available in linked databases. Schmidt Sciences declined to say how much it is investing but Feldman says the space telescope, called Lazuli, alone will cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

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The observatory system is something of a departure for Schmidt Sciences, which usually hands out grants to scientists and their projects, Feldman says. With the new investment, Schmidt Sciences will lead the development and operation of the observatories. The foundation was already supporting early efforts for the three ground-based projects, but it decided last year to consolidate them into one program and add the Lazuli space telescope. “We told people to go and do it,” Feldman says. “There are real signatures on real agreements.”

https://www.science.org/content/article/ex-google-ceo-funds-private-space-telescope-bigger-hubble
Paper: The Lazuli Space Observatory: Architecture & Capabilities

The Lazuli Space Observatory is a 3-meter aperture astronomical facility designed for rapid-response observations and precision astrophysics across visible to near-infrared wavelengths (400-1700 nm bandpass). An off-axis, freeform telescope delivers diffraction-limited image quality (Strehl 0.8 at 633 nm) to three instruments across a wide, flat focal plane. The three instruments provide complementary capabilities: a Wide-field Context Camera (WCC) delivers multi-band imaging over a 35' 12' footprint with high-cadence photometry; an Integral Field Spectrograph (IFS) provides continuous 400-1700 nm spectroscopy at R 100-500 for stable spectrophotometry; and an ExtraSolar Coronagraph (ESC) enables high-contrast imaging expected to reach raw contrasts of and post-processed contrasts approaching . Operating from a 3:1 lunar-resonant orbit, Lazuli will respond to targets of opportunity in under four hours--a programmatic requirement designed to enable routine temporal responsiveness that is unprecedented for a space telescope of this size. Lazuli's technical capabilities are shaped around three broad science areas: (1) time-domain and multi-messenger astronomy, (2) stars and planets, and (3) cosmology. These capabilities enable a potent mix of science spanning gravitational wave counterpart characterization, fast-evolving transients, Type Ia supernova cosmology, high-contrast exoplanet imaging, and spectroscopy of exoplanet atmospheres. While these areas guide the observatory design, Lazuli is conceived as a general-purpose facility capable of supporting a wide range of astrophysical investigations, with open time for the global community. We describe the observatory architecture and capabilities in the preliminary design phase, with science operations anticipated following a rapid development cycle from concept to launch.
Website of the program: The Eric and Wendy Schmidt Observatory System

The Eric and Wendy Schmidt Observatory System is designed to pioneer a new paradigm for astronomical observatories, fundamentally rethinking how they are conceived, developed, and utilized. This initiative compresses development timelines from decades to years, dramatically lowering barriers to global participation and accelerating the pace of discovery. By uniting rapid development cycles with open data and shared scientific tools, the system empowers researchers everywhere to engage in frontier astrophysics.
 
Just to throw some cold water on this according to posters on NSF at least three people involved in this, were also involved in Starshot as leaders, one was the executive director on Starshot. Anyone remember that and how it turned out.

Also the Planetary Resources saga, they had the backing of various billionaires, including Eric Schmidt. They raised crowd funding for a much more humble space telescope, Arkyd. After smashing their funding goals they twiddled their thumbs for years, then they abandoned the idea and ultimately folded.
 
Were NASA not going to be designing and funding their own Super Hubble replacement for the HST I seem to remember seeing several designs on the internet about the so called Hubble 2.0? It seems rather strange that the former Google CEO is going to all this bother of trying to design and fund his own project Flyaway.
 
Were NASA not going to be designing and funding their own Super Hubble replacement for the HST I seem to remember seeing several designs on the internet about the so called Hubble 2.0? It seems rather strange that the former Google CEO is going to all this bother of trying to design and fund his own project Flyaway.

That's basically what the Nancy Grace Roman Space Telescope is. The Wide-Field Instrument is a visible and near-IR telescope that matches Hubble sharpness but with a much wider FOV.
 
Just to throw some cold water on this according to posters on NSF at least three people involved in this, were also involved in Starshot as leaders, one was the executive director on Starshot. Anyone remember that and how it turned out.
To my knowledge, Breakthrough Starshot stalled because of a combination of insufficient funding and significant technical challenges. Lazuli won’t be bleeding-edge, and the design has been intentionally limited to improve affordability, according to reports. For a comparison, consider the SSME/RS-25 vs. Merlin. Breakthrough wanted to tackle challenges that were beyond state of the art-Lazuli isn’t.
Also the Planetary Resources saga, they had the backing of various billionaires, including Eric Schmidt. They raised crowd funding for a much more humble space telescope, Arkyd. After smashing their funding goals they twiddled their thumbs for years, then they abandoned the idea and ultimately folded.
Do you assume Schmidt has learned nothing from the experience, given that he’s also funding three ground telescopes-and that nothing has changed on the technical front since then?
Were NASA not going to be designing and funding their own Super Hubble replacement for the HST I seem to remember seeing several designs on the internet about the so called Hubble 2.0? It seems rather strange that the former Google CEO is going to all this bother of trying to design and fund his own project Flyaway.
Just because the state operates telescopes doesn’t mean individuals cannot fund them too. Up until the post-World War II era, virtually all space telescopes were funded by rich people, not by governments. He can spend his money on what he wants.
 
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NASA and the legacy primes aren’t paragons of fiscal discipline. It may well be that it will cost Schmidt more, but it won’t necessarily cost billions.
 
SSTL Joins the Eric and Wendy Schmidt Observatory System’s Lazuli [Mar 9]

Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd (SSTL) today announces its role as a key industrial collaborator in the Eric and Wendy Schmidt Observatory System’s Lazuli, a pioneering initiative that will deliver one of the most ambitious privately funded space telescopes ever conceived.

As part of the programme, SSTL is developing the spacecraft platform for the mission, which will carry the Lazuli space observatory far beyond Earth orbit into deep space.

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The Lazuli Space Observatory represents an opportunity to apply that same philosophy to space astronomy: using a faster and more flexible development model to enable scientific capability that would otherwise require decades and multi-billion-dollar programmes.

While SSTL is widely known as a “small satellite” manufacturer, the term has always referred to the way SSTL works, rather than the physical size of the spacecraft itself. Lazuli demonstrates that the small-satellite approach - rapid development, pragmatic engineering, and intelligent reuse of commercial parts and proven technologies - can be applied to much larger and more ambitious missions, including deep-space observatories.
 
To my knowledge, Breakthrough Starshot stalled because of a combination of insufficient funding and significant technical challenges. Lazuli won’t be bleeding-edge, and the design has been intentionally limited to improve affordability, according to reports. For a comparison, consider the SSME/RS-25 vs. Merlin. Breakthrough wanted to tackle challenges that were beyond state of the art-Lazuli isn’t.

Do you assume Schmidt has learned nothing from the experience, given that he’s also funding three ground telescopes-and that nothing has changed on the technical front since then?
There still isn't a case the shows they have the competency to pull this off. Especially with their choice of spacecraft contractor. Small sats are nothing like large observatories
 
There still isn't a case the shows they have the competency to pull this off. Especially with their choice of spacecraft contractor. Small sats are nothing like large observatories
Good thing they’re spending Schmidt’s money and not the taxpayers’ then!
 

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