Klemm Designations

[Apophenia]

Excellent ... thanks fabulousfour!

That clears up the Klemm L 23 and L 24.

The RLM's 8-101, 8-102, and 8-104 continue to puzzle me. I suppose the deciding factor would be in answering the question: When did the RLM assign (or re-assign) that 8-101 to 8-103 designation block to Focke Wulf's Albatros Berlin division?

Even without knowing that date for sure, I can believe that 8-101 may have being held for Klemm as late as "autumn 1935" but I struggle with that "early 1937" date for the 8-102 trainer tender. As previously mentioned, I also have trouble seeing Böblingen assigning designations to designs begun by Fecher after the split in Dec 1937.

BTW, interesting to see "FwH Fh 104". I had not seen an abbreviation for Klemm Flugzeugwerk Halle.

Cheers!

 

[luftfahrtarchive]

BTW, interesting to see "FwH Fh 104". I had not seen an abbreviation for Klemm Flugzeugwerk Halle.

Cheers!

Here you even have the Flugzeugwerk Halle Logo, which shows the "FwH", Apophenia.

Btw ... Kl101-Kl104:
From what I learnt, Friedrich Siebel got several development requests from the RLM in autumn 1935,
which he transfered to the Klemm design office of Fecher in Böblingen, where they received the designators Kl101-Kl104 internally,
but only the Klemm Kl104 work was started in 1934 still in Boeblingen.
When the Fecher offices were moved from Boeblingen to Halle in spring 1936, the Kl104 changed to Fh104,
while the RLM renewed the design requests for the still not started other designs in early 1937 to Flugzeugwerk Halle
using 2xx designators instead of the original 1xx designators (prob. the original designators were already assigned to other projects).

i.e. 201:
First RLM request came in to LFK in autumn 1935 for a liason aircraft with STOL performance.
Second RLM request to FwH in February 1936 designated "Project FwH with As10C", which became FwH Fh201 in summer 1936.
Became Si201 in 1938 after the transfer of FwH into SFW.

Even the 202 started its development carreer as FwH Fh202 in January 1937.
As it was still under development, when FwH became SFW, I believe, the designator was changed to Si202 in 1938.

The Fh104 on the other hand, was already finished and approved in 1937.
So the "Fh104" was kept even at SFW in 1938.

Still a miracle is the "103"/"203".

 

[Apophenia]

Excellent stuff luftfahrtarchive! So, in summary, internal designators Kl101-Kl104 were used by only the Kl 104 had any work done. By the time attention was turned to those 101-to-103 placeholders, RLM 20x designations were being applied. Is that about right?

 

[luftfahrtarchive]

Excellent stuff luftfahrtarchive! So, in summary, internal designators Kl101-Kl104 were used by only the Kl 104 had any work done. By the time attention was turned to those 101-to-103 placeholders, RLM 20x designations were being applied. Is that about right?

Initially number blocks were reserved for manufacturers in the RLM Typlist, i.e. Dornier 10-24, Junkers 85-92. Unused numbers were later allocated to other manufacturers, i.e. the "103" later became Fieseler and the "100" became Heinkel. I guess "101" and "102" were not used again later.