KAI T-50 and FA-50 Golden Eagle Thread

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From link above:
KAI has exported 156 trainer jets worth US$3.1 billion -- 72 T-50 advanced trainer jets worth $2.6 billion and 84 KT-1 basic trainer jets worth $700 million -- to countries that include Indonesia, Iraq, Thailand, Turkey, Peru and the Philippines since its foundation in 1999.
 

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Summary translation
this pertains to a number of aircraft not just the Golden Eagle

Malaysia is thinking of getting Kuwait's legacy F-18s

also wants a light combat aircraft. bidders are
KAI Golden Eagle
JF-17
L-15
Red Hawk
M-346
Tejas
Yak-130
L-39NH

is this the first time the Yak-130 is competing with its siblings, the M-346 and L-15?
 
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Malaysia is thinking of getting Kuwait's legacy F-18s

also wants a light combat aircraft. 8 bidders

Hawk
Any details on the BAe bid? I’m assuming a LCA would need a radar, which would suggest something like the Hawk 200, which Malaysia has operated.
 

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Malaysia is thinking of getting Kuwait's legacy F-18s

also wants a light combat aircraft. 8 bidders

Hawk
Any details on the BAe bid? I’m assuming a LCA would need a radar, which would suggest something like the Hawk 200, which Malaysia has operated.
sorry, mistranslation on my part. its the Red Hawk, (Boeing), not the BAe Hawk
 

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The attack version of the plane (A-50) is fitted with a three-barrel version of the M61A2 six-barrel cannon, developed by GD. As far as I know, this does not have a designation, other than A-50. Does anyone know more?
 

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The attack version of the plane (A-50) is fitted with a three-barrel version of the M61A2 six-barrel cannon, developed by GD. As far as I know, this does not have a designation, other than A-50. Does anyone know more?
M197. Yes, that gun used by cobra and viper.
 

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The attack version of the plane (A-50) is fitted with a three-barrel version of the M61A2 six-barrel cannon, developed by GD. As far as I know, this does not have a designation, other than A-50. Does anyone know more?
M197. Yes, that gun used by cobra and viper.
No, the M197 is an old design with a low rate of fire of 750-1,500 rpm (depending on the installation). The new gun is based on the M61A2 but with only half the number of barrels, and it fires at 3,000 rpm.

I notice that the KAI website just refers to it as the "20mm Three-Barreled Gun"
 

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The attack version of the plane (A-50) is fitted with a three-barrel version of the M61A2 six-barrel cannon, developed by GD. As far as I know, this does not have a designation, other than A-50. Does anyone know more?
M197. Yes, that gun used by cobra and viper.
No, the M197 is an old design with a low rate of fire of 750-1,500 rpm (depending on the installation). The new gun is based on the M61A2 but with only half the number of barrels, and it fires at 3,000 rpm.

I notice that the KAI website just refers to it as the "20mm Three-Barreled Gun"
Right, I must be wrong then. Quite a few Korean news named M197 as the gun so I thought that would be the case. Well otherwise I could also only find descriptions which names it a "M61 variant"
 

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Thought they had reused the M197 designation, thanks for the clarification.
 

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The attack version of the plane (A-50) is fitted with a three-barrel version of the M61A2 six-barrel cannon, developed by GD. As far as I know, this does not have a designation, other than A-50. Does anyone know more?
M197. Yes, that gun used by cobra and viper.
No, the M197 is an old design with a low rate of fire of 750-1,500 rpm (depending on the installation). The new gun is based on the M61A2 but with only half the number of barrels, and it fires at 3,000 rpm.

I notice that the KAI website just refers to it as the "20mm Three-Barreled Gun"

GD does the same -- the press release announcing the original contract award from KAI just said 3-barreled 20mm gun, for example.

Tony, I assume you've seen this already, but just in case, here is a GD NDIA brief on some of the changes in the feed mechanism for the T/A-50 installation: https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgov...gun_missile/GMWedPM1/FletcherPresentation.pdf
 

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Tony, I assume you've seen this already, but just in case, here is a GD NDIA brief on some of the changes in the feed mechanism for the T/A-50 installation: https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgov...gun_missile/GMWedPM1/FletcherPresentation.pdf
No, I hadn't seen it - thanks for the link.

Quite welcome. One more, then, with a lot of the same slides, but some other info on the origin of the various gun system elements. The M197 did contribute the mid-barrel clamp and rotor tracks, but almost all of the rest of the gun proper seems to be from the M61A2. The feed side is a hybrid between the F-15 and F-16.

 
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The attack version of the plane (A-50) is fitted with a three-barrel version of the M61A2 six-barrel cannon, developed by GD. As far as I know, this does not have a designation, other than A-50. Does anyone know more?
Just found out that the ROKA DoD also calls it a "M61 variant" as well. Maybe they've internally named it something like a "M61A3" as well, who knows? I'll check out the ROKA DoD documents regarding logistics and ask a few people as well, though don't expect much from me. :rolleyes:
 

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I suspect that the closest matches to this gun are the experimental XM301 intended for the RAH-66 Comanche recce helicopter of the 1990s, and the current XM915 for the US Army’s Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (a project announced in 2020). The exact relationship between these two guns is unclear, but they are both developed from the M61A2, have three barrels, and fire at up to 1,500 rpm.

It should be noted that the rate of fire of these guns is limited by the installation and ammo feed arrangements rather than the guns themselves. For instance, the M197 can fire at up to 1,500 rpm in a gunpod, but only 750 rpm in a belt-fed turret.
 
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