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Seems to be some kind of 2025 Tet Offensive going on.
The drones hit 41 planes stationed at military airfields on Sunday afternoon, including A-50, Tu-95 and Tu-22M aircraft, the official said. [...]
The Security Service of Ukraine said that the operation, which it codenamed “Web”, had destroyed 34% of Russia’s fleet of air missile carriers with damages estimated at $7 billion. The claim could not be independently verified.
Russia’s Defense Ministry in a statement confirmed the attacks, which damaged aircraft and sparked fires on air bases in the Irkutsk region, more than 4,000 kilometers (2,500 miles) from Ukraine, as well as the Murmansk region in the north, it said. Strikes were also repelled in the Amur region in Russia’s Far East and in the western regions of Ivanovo and Ryazan, the ministry said.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has spoken out about the drone attacks against Russia.
"An outstanding result," he writes on X.
He continues:
"A result achieved solely by Ukraine, one year, six months and nine days from when we started planning."
He further writes that all the details cannot be revealed at this time, but that Ukraine's actions will "go to the history books."
I'll be that guy, and just say it. The current negotiations are going no where anyway. Russia is interested in winning, not negotiating. Whether they can achieve that goal is irrelevant; they want to. Until they give it up, negotiations are useless.Problem is going to be that like many Ukrainian "successes", much of this one will come back to NATO intel, especially satellite sources determining which airfields the bombers were at.
Two of the sites struck (Olenya and Belaya) are a very, very long way from Ukraine. How did the trucks get there and what routes did they take? Because the Russians will track the trucks back to points of entry and if they came in from NATO countries, well, that won't look very good will it.
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So far we're only seeing Ukrainian sources on the number of bombers hit, probably best to wait a day or two for better numbers. The Tu-95's were mostly launching KH-101s from memory, and while this is a spectacular "success" for Ukraine, much like the sinking of the Moskva was, it isn't going to do much to improve things for the Ukrainians on the battlefield where they're still heavily outnumbered and "out-droned".
Sure isn't going to do much for the current round of negotiations either.
Probably far too many. There are quite a lot of peoples who still under illusions that "Russia and Ukraine just did not know how to fight properly" and "Western soldiers are trained, so they would just shot drones down using rifles". Yes, it's quotes.
“This was truly a unique operation. And now I can say: the ‘office’ for this op inside Russia was located right next to an FSB headquarters.117 drones were used, striking 34% of Russia’s strategic cruise missile carriers at key airbases. Our teams were safely extracted in advance." — Zelensky
You're assuming those launching the attacks have the same value system you do. The whole point of the Russian attacks on Ukrainian civilian targets is to cause terror and try and undermine the will of the target to fight. The negative optics of attacking schools and hospitals only matter if you actually care about the victims, or about the opinions of those who do. If you only care about the terror caused, then this is absolutely an appropriate use of munitions.The usefulness of a strategic weapon system is lost when you're stuck using it on civilian targets like schools and hospitals. It's bad optics and wasted munitions.
I don't think the losses will be that important. They weren't being used in a militarily useful capacity anyway. The English learned that in 1940.
From what I've read, they used some gig work platform where you can rent a truck w/driver, so nothing will come from tracking them.Two of the sites struck (Olenya and Belaya) are a very, very long way from Ukraine. How did the trucks get there and what routes did they take? Because the Russians will track the trucks back to points of entry and if they came in from NATO countries, well, that won't look very good will it.
I don't think we can draw this comparison. The world is completely different, and many European militaries have already started integrating drones in their doctrine. Many of the drones used by Ukraine come from their western neighbors. The "Drone Coalition" comes to mind.Europeans said the same about the American Civil War and got a major wake up call during WWI when they had to deal with trench warfare. I’d imagine the same with small drones and FPVs.
Which doesn't guarantee them from cultural and psychological blind spots.I don't think we can draw this comparison. The world is completely different, and many European militaries have already started integrating drones in their doctrine. Many of the drones used by Ukraine come from their western neighbors. The "Drone Coalition" comes to mind.
About the irreplaceability of the TU-22 and TU-95, the drone attack is a lesson to any military power, keep production lines running, because anything will take casualties.
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First radar-satellite images of Belaya airfield.
First image: -4 Tu-95 -1 Tu-22M3;
Second image: -3 Tu-22m3.
Total on satellite images + video-confirmed defeats have:
Ab Belaya (images):
-4 Tu-95;
-4 Tu-22M3;
Ab Olenya (judging by video):
-4 Tu-95;
-1 An-12.
So far, 8 Tu-95s, 4 Tu-22M3s, 1 An-12 have been accurately hit. = 13 aircraft.
That shot at 1.33, where the wing just falls off.
Must admit, this action was carefully planned and executed with great precision.To sum up, for your own sake, don't make business with Artem.
Europeans said the same about the American Civil War and got a major wake up call during WWI when they had to deal with trench warfare. I’d imagine the same with small drones and FPVs.
Yes, I think that is where the truck exploded at their faces though when one tried to get in ? Posted the vid earlier.Must admit, this action was carefully planned and executed with great precision.
P.S. Should also point out that at least one truck was unable to unload its drone cargo because local bystanders, realizing what's going on, climbed on truck & blocked the exit hatches with plywood and bricks. Darn brave guys!
realizing what's going on, climbed on truck & blocked the exit hatches with plywood and bricks.
Satellite imagery from Belaya Air base shows a number of destroyed Tu-95 Bears and Tu-22M Backfire bombers as a result of Operation Web. Videos show AI targetting was used, with practice being done at Poltaya Aviation museum. Ukrainka Air Base was also intended to be targetted but the truck didn't reach it.
In 2022, the DA entered this war with a total of following number of bomber airframes
As of early this year, the DA on average had less than 10 Tu-95MS’ and only 4-6 Tu-160s in FMC-condition.
- 55 Tupolev Tu-22M-3 ‘medium’ bombers,
- 57 Tupolev Tu-95MS, and
- 16 Tupolev Tu-160 strategic bombers.
Similarly, only some 27 Tu-22M-3s were operational on average.
To sum up, for your own sake, don't make business with Artem.
Yeah, obviously you would not know the meaning of "bravery" unless it was said to you very slowly several times. They knew that those drones were carrying explosive charges. They tried to prevent them from attacking and killing someone (they have no idea to where exactly those drones would fly). Last time I checked, risking themselves to prevent an attack on others was the very definition of "bravery".Terminally stupid idiots not realising they could earn themselves a posthumous Darwin-award, those drones were carrying explosive-charges.
Courage is the choice and willingness to confront agony, pain, danger, uncertainty, or intimidation.
Europeans said the same about the American Civil War and got a major wake up call during WWI when they had to deal with trench warfare. I’d imagine the same with small drones and FPVs.
The roof panels were already jettisoned with some of the drones already launched when these fools clambered on top of the container.
Terminally stupid idiots not realising they could earn themselves a posthumous Darwin-award, those drones were carrying explosive-charges.
AFAIK, they weren't soldiers. Just bystanders, who realized that drones would attack someone. They probably didn't think about bombers or military base, just "those drones would kill someone it we don't stop them!"A man is far easier to replace than a nuclear bomber, and also a truck full of strategic weapons, and those brave soldiers know as much.
AFAIK, they weren't soldiers. Just bystanders, who realized that drones would attack someone. They probably didn't think about bombers or military base, just "those drones would kill someone it we don't stop them!"
Not to mention the Crimean War and Solferino, which both resulted in considerable publicity around the number of casualties (leading to the Geneva Conventions and the creation of the Red Cross in the case of Solferino)Not really. The Russian-Japanese war was taken seriously by European miitaries who had observers everywhere. The scale of WW1 surprised them though...
Might want to consider where many of Ukraine's FPV drones and counter-drone defences are coming from.Everyone else would simply be liquidated by FPV drones. Poland, France, Britain, Germany would all be annihilated. Most know this. Poland might not.
Bravery is not stupidity, whoever's side someone is on.Terminally stupid idiots
This. Just because I do not agree with the actions of their country as a whole does not mean these were not brave men.AFAIK, they weren't soldiers. Just bystanders, who realized that drones would attack someone. They probably didn't think about bombers or military base, just "those drones would kill someone it we don't stop them!"
Sure isn't going to do much for the current round of negotiations either.
Not really, With this meat grinder, Russian has few good equipment and experienced personnel leftRussia, and I suppose Ukraine to a lesser extent, are currently the best equipped and most experienced battlefield forces on the planet for 21st century combat.
Ultimately? Likely China. At least important bits of them.Might want to consider where many of Ukraine's FPV drones and counter-drone defences are coming from.