FREMM-EVO

Stellerfella said:
Wow. That would be an interesting twist. Can Italy really give up one its hulls when it's also looking after Portugal now?
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Just as in France, export comes first… that said, if there's 2 navies that ca afford it in europe, it's those 2.
But I could see Greece being barred from buying 2 more second-hand FREMMs if this happens, at least until 2032ish
 
Titus K said:
Just as in France, export comes first… that said, if there's 2 navies that ca afford it in europe, it's those 2.
But I could see Greece being barred from buying 2 more second-hand FREMMs if this happens, at least until 2032ish
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I've heard differently as regards the Luleå class. The Swedes may be waiting at the end of the line
 
Stellerfella said:
I've heard differently as regards the Luleå class. The Swedes may be waiting at the end of the line
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Yes because their class is quite different from the French and Greek variants.
Of 13 ships, the Swedes are getting n° 8 / 10 / 12 / 13 .

If the Belgians really get their first FREMM EVO in 2028 it’s probably a simple transfer of an Italian variant ( Teseo mk2 / MU90 / 2xA50 … )
 
Titus K said:
According to marineschepen, the FREMM EVO is the preferred alternative to ASWF if no solution is found between Belgium and NL
Italy is willing to deliver the first frigate in 2028, so one of it's own hulls.

https://premium.marineschepen.nl/italie-dwingt-jetten-tot-fors-tegenbod-om-aswf-programma-te-redden/
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Some additional reporting detail from VRT news: https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2026/0...kt-op-nieuwe-italiaanse-gevechtsschepen-nede/

The Belgian Navy explored eleven potential candidates, with five actual responses to their RFI - Fincantieri with the FREMM-EVO, Naval Group with the FDI, Navantia with the F110, and from Turkey - no specific company was specified - the I-class frigates. The fifth respondent was not identified, but apparent it was not British, who did not respond to the RFI at all.

Of the offers, those from Fincantieri, Naval Group, and Navantia were down selected and will now compete. The FREMM-EVO seems to be the clear favorite, The FDI option from Naval Group was competitive in all respects but schedule, and delivery uncertainty on the timeline Belgium needs - by 2030 - was too uncertain. The F110 apparently apparently did not score as well on anti-submarine warfare - which is interesting, particularly versus the FDI - and it seems that the lack of any ships yet in service also hurt its chances.

The Belgians target three ships on a budget of €3.2 billion, with a delivery timeframe of 2029-2030. Which is much more realistic than the 2028 delivery target, which is shorter than that of the first FREMM-EVO currently under construction!

The aggressive timeline (2030-31-32?) does technically conflict with that for Portugal (2029-2031), but it seems this is betting on the - finally approved at the end of August - infrastructure upgrades at Riva Trigoso, which will add a third launching line and enable four ships to be under assembly at once. If I had to guess, this would be managed by focusing Riva Trigoso only on FREMM-EVO production, with the remaining PPX (2), last PPA (1), and MMPC (4) pushed off to Muggiano's assembly halls? And then have Castellammare di Stabia handle large hulls like the LSS and DDX?

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Apologies, when I started this reply you hadn't posted the second link yet. Got side-tracked and didn't get around to finishing it until several hours after I first started it.
 
Today at parliment the Portuguese defense minister gave a breakdown and additional details on the costs of the FREMM EVO, they are the following:
  • An increased AAW capacity vs Italian frigates, likely meaning all 32x VLS for Aster
  • Unitary cost -> 893 million euros + Modifications requested by the PoN -> 63 million euros
  • Total per ship -> 960 million euros
  • Weapons, munitions, missiles and decoys -> 310 million euros
  • Sustainment costs across the vessels lifecycle -> 461 million euros
  • Upgrades on the Lisbon Naval Base -> 130 million euros
  • Upgrades on the Arsenal do Alfeite shipyard -> 95 million euros
  • Floating dock -> 55 million euros
  • Training and testing equipment -> 40 million euros
  • Simulation and training -> 38 million euros
Additionaly the industrial share of portuguese companies on this deal will be of around 8.3% (~320 million euros), this includes:
  • Drones from Tekever
  • Command and Control from Critical Software
  • Communications equipment from EID
  • Simulators from ETI Floating dock from West Sea
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€310 million for weapons/ammo/decoys of three 32 vls cell frigates seems very low to me.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2102446441192906771
View: https://x.com/Drecas_2000/status/2102446441192906771
 
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Titus K said:
96 cells + 24 AShM + Gun&CIWS ammo + Decoys … for €310 million seems very low to me.
Greece is paying €200M per ship with the same amount and type of VLS cells (+RAM)
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That's also possibly not including any reloads. I suspect Greece may also be buying reloads.
 

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