Development of Project 11442M Admiral Nakhimov - Kirov

NMaude said:
The USSR IIRC had a CVN under construction in a Ukrainian SSR shipyard but it was only ~60% complete when the USSR collapsed and so was scrapped in the early 1990s.
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Yes the 'Ulyanovsk', the first and last Soviet CVN to never sail.
 
blackstar said:
They started as ASW cruisers, then got loaded up with all kinds of other missions. They were too big to keep operating when the USSR collapsed.
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Many things couldn't be operated, or barely operated in Russia and other post-Soviet states after the USSR collapsed. That has less to do with the Kirov Class itself and more to do with the USSR imploding, the fracturing of the soviet MIC and the economic free fall.
 
EmoBirb said:
Many things couldn't be operated, or barely operated in Russia and other post-Soviet states after the USSR collapsed. That has less to do with the Kirov Class itself and more to do with the USSR imploding, the fracturing of the soviet MIC and the economic free fall.
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The point is, that Kirov-class cruisers weren't intended as nuclear carrier escorts; they were intended as flagships of ocean hunter-killer groups.
 
Dilandu said:
The point is, that Kirov-class cruisers weren't intended as nuclear carrier escorts; they were intended as flagships of ocean hunter-killer groups.
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After it was evident that the CVNs won't materialize in a timely manner. That's when the surface warfare upgrades also came in. Formidable ASW armaments were part of the ships before already
 
EmoBirb said:
After it was evident that the CVNs won't materialize in a timely manner. That's when the surface warfare upgrades also came in. Formidable ASW armaments were part of the ships before already
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Don't know where you've got the idea that the Kirovs were associated with carriers from, if anything they were associated with the Pr.1165 missile cruisers (which were originally expected to carry the a heavier battery of anti-ship missiles whilst what eventually became the Kirovs primarily performed ASW duties).
 
EmoBirb said:
After it was evident that the CVNs won't materialize in a timely manner. That's when the surface warfare upgrades also came in. Formidable ASW armaments were part of the ships before already
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Carriers were never a core plan of the Soviet Navy - there was way too much ideological resistance to them in the political machine. Kuznetsov tried post-war and got demoted, then tried again after he was restored and then got pushed out entirely. Studies were made a couple more times after that, but it wasn't until the early 70s that they even started working on a nuclear carrier - a project that was cancelled three times because of mistrust in the concept (and the proponents dying with no one in a position to pick up the torch).
 
Winchester said:
Carriers were never a core plan of the Soviet Navy - there was way too much ideological resistance to them in the political machine.
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I wouldn't say that is the case. I would say that outside of the Khrushchev era the Soviet Navy spent an inordinate amount of time trying to pursue carrier aviation but was repeatedly stymied, but managed to build no less than six and a bit carriers (four Pr.1143, two 1143.5, and about a third of 1143.7 -- about 300,000 tonnes of carriers between 1970 and 1992! I think that Vadim Kolnogorov makes this argument quite well in his 2007 article. The biggest carrier specific issue (IMO) was very low risk tolerance which significantly delayed the shift to CATOBAR, but this was from Ustinov and the VPK (Ustinov was a great proponent of VTOL/STOVL/VSTOL).

Gorshkov consistently argued for a balanced fleet, and remember that he was the head of the Soviet Navy starting in the 50s! And of course this was in the light of very concerning strategic priorities during the 50s and 60s. The Soviets were facing a massive strategic imbalance in the US's favor and rightly prioritized the strategic rocket forces, counter-SSBN forces, and SSBN construction. By the time it was clear offensive counter-SSBN was impossible and there was enough of a strategic balance to deter the Americans (i.e. the late 1960s) the Soviet Navy very quickly cancels the 3rd Moskva class (Pr.1123.3) and shifts to building the Kiev class.
 
EmoBirb said:
After it was evident that the CVNs won't materialize in a timely manner. That's when the surface warfare upgrades also came in. Formidable ASW armaments were part of the ships before already
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This isn't really as described by Captain 1st Rank Kuzin in his articles on the development of the ships? The narrative as he relates it is that the AShM battery was to solve ASuW lethality issues that had persisted since Pr.61 and the recognition that the displacement of Pr.1144 had climbed to the point where the systems of Pr.1165 could be rolled onto the 1144 hull and the programs merged.
A Tentative Fleet Plan said:
Don't know where you've got the idea that the Kirovs were associated with carriers from, if anything they were associated with the Pr.1165 missile cruisers (which were originally expected to carry the a heavier battery of anti-ship missiles whilst what eventually became the Kirovs primarily performed ASW duties).
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This is largely in alignment with the Russophone sources I can find which seem reputable.
 
whatismoo said:
I would say that outside of the Khrushchev era the Soviet Navy spent an inordinate amount of time trying to pursue carrier aviation but was repeatedly stymied,
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IIRC prior to Khrushchev, Stalin was obsessed with battleships.
 
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Cold War Battlescruiser, Modern Price: Russia’s Costly Admiral Nakhimov Upgrade​

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-new...ly-upgrade-of-admiral-nakhimov-battlecruiser/
Granit is still a formidable weapon but the offensive armament is being modernized to accommodate 80 cruise missiles instead. The new vertical launch system can likely accept the Kalibr family of land-attack and anti-ship cruise missiles, roughly equivalent to the American Tomahawk, and larger P-800 Oniks (SS-N-26 Strobile). The latter is a VLS-sized equivalent of Granit with a longer range but smaller warhead. It can also be used in the land attack role in which it is particularly challenging to shoot down, but less accurate than the Kalibr. The ship will also likely receive the 3M22 Zircon (SS-N-33) hypersonic missile.
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The air defence battery is also being modernised with the latest S-400 (SA-21 Growler) replacing the late Cold War era S-300 (SA-10 Grumble). The vast battery of close in weapons, guns, anti-submarine rockets and torpedoes receives iterative upgrades.
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https://ria.ru/20260601/flot-2095899603.html

Admiral Nakhimov is entering the final stages of it's sea trials before entering service after it's extensive overhaul.
MOSCOW, June 1 – RIA Novosti. The cruiser Admiral Nakhimov has begun the final stage of testing following repairs and modernization, the Northern Fleet press service reported.
"The heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov has entered the final stage of testing following repairs and modernization," the statement said.
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Triton said:
Эти чертежи ближе к реальному проекту?

Источник:
http://alternathistory.org.ua/mnogofunktsionalnyi-boevoi-korabl-proekta-2145-rossiy
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Совсем не соответствует, появились новые фото "Нахимов" пришел в Североморск. Впрочем, раньше тоже не соответствовал.

Google translate: It doesn't match at all—new photos have surfaced showing the Nakhimov arriving in Severomorsk. Then again, it didn't match before, either
 
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